“During the sentencing, US district judge Timothy Kelly, who was nominated to the bench by Trump, said the evidence suggested Tarrio was “the ultimate leader” of the seditious conspiracy, “the ultimate person, who organized, who was motivated by revolutionary zeal”.”
I can think of someone else, Judge Kelly. The tangerine nightmare that appointed you.
Ugh, right? Really sounds like they set up Tarrio to take the fall for Trump. Fuck that.
That’s the picture they’re painting, but unfortunately for them nobody’s buying it.
Unfortunately for us, someone probably will buy it. Somehow, there are millions of people who legitimately think Trump is the freaking Messiah.
That’s very true, but all of their minds were made up about that years ago. I know the average person is fucking stupid as fuck, but I can’t help but wonder how many people are still sitting on the fence when it comes to Trump.
Well, in most Western democracies, the really stupid seem to amount to about 10 to 20 percent (rising sadly). Due to a (completely intended) lack of education and decades of propaganda by the right, that amount seems to be about 30 percent in the US. That’s still very much a minority! On the other hand, Hitler only needed about 35 percent of the popular vote to dismantle democracy in Germany (different political system though).
Is it really only 10 to 20 percent? I was thinking closer to 30, but maybe thats my pessimism
Tangerine Nightmare. nice
Welcome to jaaaaazz club.
I don’t think it was either of them leading. It’s probably organized crime. Also probably why they try to amp up bitcoins… They got drug and trafficked Bitcoin they want to launder easier. Roger Stone, I think, is a closer connection to the real people puppeting these morons. Probably why Robert Kennedy jumped on board with the rightwing nonsense, because the mafia already killed JFK and he’s owned.
But yeah fuck em all.
That’s one evil heartless piece of shit right there. Gang gang.
I don’t think it was either of them leading. It’s probably organized crime.
Kind of a contradiction, no? If the crime is organized that implies there’s someone doing the organizing, a leader if you will.
this person is already lost. don’t bother interacting with logic.
Nah, there’s a difference between encouraging and actively planning.
Funny that you get downvoted like that. Trump wasn’t posting on the Proud Boy’s page to plan the attack, he’s the match that set the gas on fire, he’s not the guy who spread gas all over the living room… He always has the possibility to deny everything and say he didn’t expect them to be dumb enough to actually attack the place because that would be sedition/treason and only an irrational idiot would do that! Where’s this guy organized stuff and put his plan to execution… He’s the irrational idiot…
Trump and the people in Trump’s immediate orbit were in direct or very close indirect contact with all of these groups. They knew exactly what was going to happen. In addition to the normal nutty Trump crowds they reached out to these psycho fascist militias and told them to be there to “fight like hell”. People like the Proud Boys know exactly what an invitation and rhetoric like that mean. This was not a rally that got out of hand. This was all planned out and coordinated with other schemes like the false elector scheme and the Georgia phone call. This was deliberate and planned. Trump is an idiot but he knew what he was doing. This has all been documented in the impeachment hearings, the Congressional Jan 6 investigations, and the recent indictments.
It’s good that he’s going away for 22 years. However, the sentencing guidelines called for between 324 to 405 months (27-33 years) so by the Judge’s own calculations this is a miscarriage of justice and yet another right wing domestic terrorist is being handled with kid gloves. Fucking disgraceful.
He was an informant right? Distasteful as it is, informing has to be publicly seen as providing a tangible benefit, or future criminals wont talk
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Sentences can include upward and downward departures from the guidelines based on the circumstances of the case. It’s also important to remember that the guidelines are non-binding on judges.
So it’s like the guidelines are just guidelines?
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I was responding more to the “judge’s own calculations” part.
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2 decades is 2 decades. And, it’s not like when he gets released he’ll be hailed as a hero. Trump will be dead, most of his supporters will probably be dead of old age or COVID. The rest will be too embarrassed that they voted for him to admit it.
When he gets out he’ll be 60. Having spent decades in prison, he won’t be able to retire, and will probably live out the rest of his life working menial jobs that hire ex-felons until he dies in obscurity.
What’s even better is him thinking he’s not going to be in prison long because Trump is going to win the next election and pardon him. My brother, there’s a greater chance of Trump becoming your cell mate.
Yeah… Even if Trump wins there’s no way he remembers or cares about anyone involved in Jan 6.
These guys are way more screwed than they realize.
Trump is a narcissist who cares about image and the cheers of crowds. If pardoning J6 traitors gets him that, he will do it.
I agree with you, but I don’t believe there’s going to be any sort of crowd clamoring for J6 rioters to be pardoned. The issue is early on, a LOT of right wing media decided that J6 was a false flag. There’s just not going to be many people beyond family members of J6 rioters that want them pardoned.
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It’s true he doesn’t give a damn about these people but they’re useful for his scam. He’s already said he’ll pardon people and will continue to say it because it suits the narrative he’s pushing and what his base wants to hear.
The problem is he is toxic and will only get more so as his legal issues turn into jail time so it’s unlikely he’ll win election. If he were smart he’d drop out and secure a pardon from a more electable GOP nominee in return for endorsement. But he won’t. So it seems that these proud boy / oathkeeper idiots are likely to be spending a long time behind bars.
I bet Trump thinks about them a bit. Every day Trump isn’t in the White House he is reminded that they are failures. Zero surprise if they never get parole if Trump makes the WH.
Unfortunately, it could happen.
Most of the country is dealing with a 30% to 50% cost of living increase, and they’re going to blame Biden for it. Trump got elected the first time because 6,000,000 were foreclosed upon when Obama was president.
It’s possible, but as much as people are exhausted with Biden, nothing would get blue to turn out to vote like another chance of Trump. Blue would vote for a tent full of mosquitoes if it meant voting against Trump. Trump supporters have gotten more fanatical, not more numerous. Some of my own family members are currently in orange pill recovery. Not to mention all the Reds that died of COVID denial. Then you factor in young people now eligible to vote skewing blue. The only person I think Trump could beat honestly would be Hillary. Red would show up to vote against her if not for Trump.
That was the argument people made for Hillary’s certain victory on Election Day, that the notion of Trump being elected would mean a huge Democratic turnout.
Thing is, people aren’t going to give a shit who the candidate of change is when they can’t afford their grocery bills, and Trump isn’t going to have to lie about how little Biden has done to alleviate people’s poverty.
I didn’t vote when it was Hillary or Tbag. I hated both. But I’ll keep voting to protect against him happening again. It’s exactly what the dems are counting on, and it’s unfortunately working on me.
Still waiting to see who I’ll vote for in primaries, though. My vote only counts there in my state.
So what was your hatred of Hillary based on out of curiosity?
I recall that she supported some regulation of the internet that I considered harmful. I can’t recall the specifics anymore.
I ask because the republicans viewed her as a threat from the time she was first lady (she wanted universal healthcare - which she almost got, but the rightwing defeated her by talking about a republican vision/plan for an individual mandate, which was basically obamacare, she talked about women’s rights, she was pulling her husband to the left on some issues, etc). They knew she had the type of balls to run for president and the Hillary hate propaganda machine has been running strong for over 20+ years, because they were scared she would win. That’s why I’m wondering what got you to hate her - what tactic of their hate machine do you think worked on you?
Edit - and I hope you understand conservatives would destroy the internet as it is, and they have been trying
It’s good to vote, for sure.
I’ll be voting Green myself.
A green vote is no different than a Trump vote
A green vote is a green vote.
A libertarian vote is a libertarian vote.
An independent vote is an indepdent vote.
How about we get better candidates from both mainstream parties if they actually want swing voters, rather than painting their opposition as a bunch of shitbags. (Mind you, both parties are shitbags who force unpopular policies).
I’m not saying it won’t be close. My parents who voted for him complain about how often they get asked to donate to his campaign slash legal fund. I don’t think that’s a great look if it’s about grocery money.
I remember 2016. Bernie bros felt maybe rightfully so that he got shafted in the primary. Many didn’t turn out. Trump as obvious of a con man as he was to us, was a successful business man to many centrist voters. I think that illusion has mostly faded. On top of that people on the right were programmed to hate Hillary since the 90s. The vitriol for Trump now is the best shot Biden has, and I think it’s enough.
I would vote for a bathtub full of scorpions and vipers before I vote for Trump
While I agree with most of that, I thought it was shown recently that younger people are skewing right. Internet propaganda has been super effective lately it seems :/
This seems to show younger is still more left wing
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/younger-voters-are-poised-to-upend-american-politics/This is a year and half old but another source
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/demographics-and-lifestyle-differences-among-typology-groups/Glad to know I was mistaken!
Maybe it’s the bubble I’m in, but I’ve seen the opposite in the news. Between climate, school shootings, minimum wage, student loan forgiveness, abortion rights, and marijuana legalization, one party at least acts progressive, while the other actively tries to block change. I’m not sure which conservative talking points are resonating with the majority of young people.
that’s maybe part of the reason Trump got elected but that’s not the main reason by a long shot
That would be the ultimate punishment for both of them. They have to deal with each other for the next 22 years.
Couldn’t have happened to a prouder boy
What an achievement. He should be a proud boy.
Federal informant, and still get 22 years?? Congrats on playing yourself, Ricky!
That’s a long time to fester in a place where they love rats.
Supposedly it’s a lower sentence than the sentencing guidelines allow (according to others in this thread anyway.) So maybe it did count.
That said, Chairman of the Proud Boys? There’s a limit to what “I was cooperating with the FBI the whole time” can buy you if you’re the reason the crimes are being committed.
My understanding was that the informant bit didn’t really help him out because he stopped being an informant and then the January 6th riots happened.
So he’d stopped supplying them with information before he then committed treason. So it isn’t as if they just weren’t appreciative of the information supplied, the information supplied had nothing to do with why he was arrested.
Interesting. I thought that he had got himself arrested on minor charges before the 6th, to have an excuse not to be there. I assumed that was encouraged by the FBI. Sounds like he was hedging his bets, and lost it all anyway. Either way, I’m laughing at him!
Waiting for Trump to be all “When we retake what’s rightfully ours, I’ll make sure those who were wrongly imprisoned by Crooked Joe Biden are exonerated as the patriots they are!”
Those in prison can’t vote so Trump will just write them off as useless.
He wouldn’t say it for them, but for his main voter base: Conservatives, the alt-right, and anyone sympathetic to either.
Is there even an alt right anymore? It was just a charade as the entire party showed it’s true colors.
Why would a dictator care about votes? If he gets elected again he’ll want foot-soldiers, not voters.
Should be 222 years. Rot in cell, traitor.
LOL GET FUKT TRAITOR!
Good. Fuck that guy.
Mark my words they’ll try and break him out.
Don’t trust these fuckasauruses to play by the rules.
They’re fascists - the rules exist exclusively to protect them, and subjugate those they don’t like.
They play by the rules - it’s just their own rules that boil down to toddler-tier “I win.”
I’m glad the fuckasauruses are turning into foundoutasauruses.
Traitors only get 20 years? Dang, soft punishment for treason, but at least it’s something eh.
Don’t think you understand what 20 years in prison looks like.
I don’t either, but it sure would ruin my life
“Only” 20 years? There can be whatever number and people will still say it is too little
Historically, people who attempt to overthrow their government get death. Hell, they still execute Guy Fawkes symbolically every year. And all we do is put them up in prison for 20 years? We’ve gone soft.
they still execute Guy Fawkes symbolically every year. And all we do is put them up in prison for 20 years
Yeah but in reality the UK doesn’t have the death penalty for any crime anymore, including treason.
Meanwhile the US regularly executes people for a single murder.
Which is why it’s bullshit that someone who attempted to overthrow the government just gets 20 years.
Or you use your energy to advocate for less draconian punishments instead of demanding more
I do, insurrection is the only crime I believe should merit the death penalty. Nothing else is even close to how dangerous that is. A murderer may kill a couple of dozen people at most, if someone overthrows the government, that could lead to death for millions and a shifting of history for decades if not centuries. That should be the only capital crime.
Yes, and civilized societies are trying to get away from that kind of barbarism.
Also it’s not as if it’s 20+ years in a (Insert name of progressive European country) prison. It’s going to be a hell.
Finally, no risk of martyrdom. Just saying.
Since we always did it wrong we have to continue to do so?
I dunno if they could start such a Guy Fawkes tradition after V for Vendetta came out.
Guys losing 1/3 of his adult life, and won’t get out of prison before his 60s. I’m extremely anti-j6, but 22 years seems like a nice hefty sentance to me
If Trump gets the WH again, he’ll probably pardon all of these fools.
I think the prosecutor recommended 40.
May he die from an embarrassing and uncomfortable medical condition exactly 5 minutes before release.
Something already rotted his brain years ago. Idk if he’d even notice.
Not a fan of incarceration or the police state, but sometimes you just gotta vibe
He attacked the Capitol, this isn’t vibing, this is what you have to do with violent criminals
I was trying to make fun of the guy.
I live in Portland. Trust me: I’m tickled pink he and a lot of his will no longer travel to my home to menace me
He wasn’t present on the 6th because he was banned from the city for prior actions. But he was instrumental in organizing the whole thing
Some people are too dangerous to be allowed to roam freely. Rapists, murderers and insurrectionists are all examples.
Agreed on all counts. I was making a joke that didn’t land
Fair enough.
Fuck around…
I saw numerous videos where these guys went out of their to beat the living shit out of blm protestors (not rioters), while calling people antifa - who clearly weren’t, in broad daylight, and nothing happened to them. I can only imagine if I were one of their many victims, that seeing this would be give me some great pleasure. Especially since the “fuck around and find out” rallying call was the thing they said as the brutalized people who were simply protesting brutality.
