I don’t even know why they bother pretending they have laws anymore. No one on the outside buys their bullshit and their loyal zombie hordes will bend over for any reason. It’s just a silly larp now.
We still have laws.
The laws are whatever trump wants them to be, when he wants them to be them.
so like calvinball?
We have “contract law” now … but no actual justice system.
Its time to scrap it and rebuild. Even the money is worthless now.
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The laws still exist for us, what you described is for the owner class
Nazi working their way around
Every time SCOTUS does this shit, they get one step closer to impeachments, and an expansion of the court.
I used to believe we should expand it to 13 seats, but I no longer hold that belief. Now I believe that we should expand it to 29 seats. SCOTUS is too important, it shouldn’t be so small that one bad-faith president can manipulate the composition of the court so that he negatively impacts policy for the next 50 years.
29 justices, rolling term limits, so every Prez gets to appoint a few, but never enough to alter the steady progression of our society and history, with wild cultural and political swings.
No justice under the Roberts court
If you can’t even challenge the legality of your detention, then you don’t live in a law-abiding nation. That leaves only one way to challenge the state and I guarantee they’re not going to like it.
The constitution is quite clear on this…
6 of them are firmly stuck up trumps ass so you can set that question aside
In a 6-3 decision…
The only question to ask. Have you bitch slapped a republican today and if not why not?
The fact Americans are even entertaining this idea makes me unempathetic to they’re plight. They’re just letting this happen, you deserve to be debt slaves.
No one deserves that. What the hell, dude?
Maybe in Trump’s 1st term. The world has no sympathy for Americans anymore. Trump isn’t the hero America needs, but he’s the one they deserve.
You realize a lot of us specifically voted against this shit, right?
Yeah but far more voted for him… A minority of american are not nuts. Great news, change nothing.
So, are you going to stop the fascist rise with a vote, deluded, your just reinforcing my point. You think a vote will fix Donald? You, deserve, this.
So the victims deserve it, got it.
If they won’t fight for themselves, YES.
You self victimizing loser
Imagine calling a minority in america self victimizing losers and thinking you’re a decent individual.
america is probably the most mysogynistic, racist WESTERN right wing country. cant even tolerate a center right woman, nor color. plus they allow propaganda in the msms unabated, and are unable to discren from it.
Yes they do, you have to fight to keep your freedom, that’s what your forefathers supposedly did, now it’s your turn.
Right. We’re doing that. But because some of us aren’t, we all deserve slavery?
You deserve it if your don’t fight for it yes, ‘wise one’.
Then stand up for yourselves, Americans are big-talking cowards, nobody is coming to save them from Donald but them.
They deserve it because they’re not fight for they’re freedom thinking theyre vote will actually matter at the end of the day and not have to fight of a far more competent coup. They can either put there money where their mouth is or shutup as for as I care, if they were defending themselves properly I’d be far more supportive. The french rioted for months when they raised retirement age by 5 years, Trump literally stripes away your rights and I see some week long protests and that’s it. You’ll get no simpathy from me give Id know they wouldn’t do more then give a thoughts and prays were it the other way around.
Jeez, you must think China really deserves it then.
China did do a lot to deserve its situation yes, it was the peoples decisions to let the CCP in and take over, your point? Are you refering to their children rather then the original mistake maker, they’re parents maybe?
Ooooh nice, so they’re effectively going to decide if they get to actually run concentration camps in an official capacity. Delightful.
Also, I don’t expect ICEatzgruppen to abide by the court order if it doesn’t go their way
Everything the Nazis did was legal under German law. They were meticulous about renewing the Enabling Act multiple times.
Don’t worry the court will write out an instruction manual of loopholes and how to exploit the loopholes if they do rule against it
Emil Bove is the person that floated the idea that they simply not abide by the courts. Seems important for later.
If this shit happens then none of us (citizens included) have due process. ICE can just say they suspect you’re an illegal immigrant and lock you up forever. A lot of people seem to think that if you just show them the documents or prove that you’re a citizen this won’t happen. All they have to do is snatch you up. You typically see this line of thought from folks defending the current administration, like they believe if you rationally present your argument to authority they’ll always agree.
There are already enough cases of people showing their papers to ICE and discovering that ICE don’t care and aren’t held to account. But the people supporting it tend to be the “pay no attention until it happens to me” type.
Mate, with respect, they don’t give a fuck about the constitution nor civilians nor citizenship and have proven so multiple times.
No shit.
My point was we already lost due process I get that you’re pissed and I don’t blame you, I am too
Mom kinda thinks like this. I told her that no one should even be asked to prove their identity like that in public. She’d be more firmly on the right if my father isn’t tempering her.
My retort to a lot of these people is to ask if they can prove their citizenship right now, on the spot.
They can’t.
And like even if you could, do you really think that after handing over your passport/social security card/birth certificate that you still could?
I believe they will take your “papers” and lose them with a quickness.
My parents are reversed, with my mom tempering my dad’s conservatism. But it’s the same basic idea. My mom and I will be discussing whatever Government Atrocity of the WeekTM is making the news cycle, and my dad will basically go “good, I hope it sucks for {victim}. If they don’t like it, they can leave.”
Gee, and you wonder why I don’t ever want to hang out…
A lot of people seem to think that if you just show them the documents or prove that you’re a citizen this won’t happen.
Aren’t there already cases where holding valid documents has had no effect?
yeah, they already deported US citizens.
Don’t the US already hold people indefinatly in Guantanamo Bay?
Not endorsing the interpretation at all, but the idea with the people in Gitmo is that they were “combatants” from a “war” and were therefore prisoners of war and subject to a different set of laws. The whole point of putting them in Gitmo was to avoid the legal complications of the domestic American justice system.
Conversely, immigrants are, by definition, inside of the United States and therefore protected by American laws. At least that has been the case historically. The court is going to determine if that is in fact the case.
And yeah, we all need to be worried about an interpretation that being in America somehow does not place a person under the justification of the American justice system and all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
No, they purposefully avoided actual prisoner of war status, as that has legal consequences.
And Republicans have already tried calling this a “war” on illegal immigration so that we can treat them as enemy combatants.
The difference that still matters (for now) is that the US justice system applies in the United States, regardless of citizenship, war, or anything else.
Gitmo detainees were strategically never brought into the US. NSGB is a naval base that’s leased from Cuba and is explicitly not territorial ground of the US, so detainees there are not protected by US laws, but the adversarial relationship with Cuba also keeps the host country’s laws from applying.
It’s pretty much the only place the US permanently controls where there are no civil protections at all for detainees.
And yeah, we all need to be worried about an interpretation that being in America somehow does not place a person under the justification of the American justice system and all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
The Constitution references “under the jurisdiction of the United States” so if they do rule that these people aren’t entitled to Constitutional rights, I’m curious how that doesn’t also mean that these people are immune from US laws too. You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Historically “not under the jurisdiction of the United States” meant exactly what you think it meant. It meant that they were not subject to the laws of the US and was a status commonly called “diplomatic immunity”.
I agree with your conclusion that people cannot be both immune from rights and subject to law, but sadly the courts have disagreed.
You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
They won’t claim it outloud but they already operate under this interpretation.
Thats only temporarily indefinitely
Trans people are next. They are trying to bring back psychiatric detention and calling Trans people mentally ill.
I’m not sure if transgender people or “antifa” is next. I think “antifa” because that allows them to classify any dissent about anything as supporting terrorism (NSPM-7 executive order). That would be more efficient at removing dissent, then when there’s no way to speak out, they’ll go after transgender, socialists, eventually gay/lesbian, anyone who’s not white.
aka the Nazi’s list of enemies
Yes but also anyone that doesn’t like Trump will be accused of derangement syndrome. We’re all on that list
You can already be found not criminally liable and be sentenced to indefinite psychiatric hold instead of prison.
