Interesting. A car with peddle assist. I know that’s not what you meant, but that’s where my head went.

I do not - I’ve heard it so many times from so many places that I didn’t bother checking it before repeating it, but it looks like it was wrong.

Cafe (spinoff from GE) does a pretty good job with stoves. AFAIK they are still pretty well respected.

The brands to stay away from at all costs are LG and Samsung.

Someone already pointed that out, so I edited the post with strikethrough hours before you replied.

For those like me who actually didn’t know: Initial Public Offering. It’s the first time (initial) the company sells shares (offering) on public stock exchanges. Aka: they went public.

the hot happens in the pot and not inside the stove

The pot is sitting on the stove. And induction involves electromagnetism, which means it involves metal pots and pans, and metal loops of wire to induce current in that cookware. Metal parts conduct heat very well. So, induction stoves don’t get quite as hot as conventional stoves. But, they still get very hot because they have a hot metal pot sitting on them.

Also, while induction stoves don’t get quite as hot as other kinds of stoves, they involve large currents and large amounts of magnetism. That means both stress on the electrical parts, and mechanical stress from the magnets.

Overall, I’d guess that an induction stove is probably going to have fewer things that can go wrong with it than a gas stove, a glass-top stove or an olde fashioned electrical resistance stove. But, it isn’t like an LED light or something that should last decades because there’s no moving parts, no heat, no big currents, etc.

Yeah definitely isolate hot things well, it also uses less energy and heats up the surroundings less.

For the washers, maybe but its just like 2 pumps a motor and a control board, it should be simple mechanics to switch those out if they break, IMO.

My burner igniters aren’t electronic-control and they still failed in a less than decade old stove that was not heavily used at all (I live alone and use the stove, not even the specific burners that failed, maaaaaaaaybe monthly)

They just make their parts cheap overall. Induction isn’t enshittification-proof. If anything it’s more susceptible, being entirely electronic.

That said I’d trade my gas stove for induction if I could, even with enshittification.

High end ones do too if you want to access all of the wash features; they can’t be entirely programmed from the device itself.

Man, having worked in a couple research labs in a previous life, there’s no way I’d use a used lab scale for food. Especially when $50 will actually get you a pretty decent scale that has not been potentially used for weighing everything from diseased mice to stool samples to unidentified precipitates from a failed chemical reaction.

Since you’re here to type this, it was probably not used for anything too nasty, but I do not endorse that as a way to save a few bucks!

One thing to note is that planned obsolescence for machines is not something that is easy to do to the level that you’re describing it.

Even if they use substandard materials at specific junctures with an estimated wearout time limit, there’s always the chance that a manufacturing flaw can increase the time between breakdowns

I think a good follow-up plan would be something more like finding the parts that break down and then digitizing them and then contracting with a service like JLCPCB to manufacture those individual parts on demand.

You could probably start a fairly successful company on just that if you had the time and energy to get the whole process rolling.

A combination of a SLS 3D printer to make the parts out of metal, or, you know, really high-quality 3D printer to make them out of nylon or whatever plastic is necessary, and getting the appropriate springs and levers and bearings and everything to fill in the gaps, you probably could make a nice side business for yourself just custom making the parts that break down the most often for appliances.

The water heater that came with my house I bought in '98 lasted 20 years.

And by the time you got rid of it it was criminally inefficient.

No warranty? If you bought with a credit card they usually have a warranty extension feature and will extend the manufacturer’s warranty for you.

Once you’ve supplied everyone with it, figure out how to keep a buffer stock and move onto the next product. By the time you’ve sold every viable customer a washing machine, vacuum cleaner, fridge, freezer, mixer, cooker, dryer (whatever) they’d be fine, new stock still needs to be sold eventually so keep a trickle coming. Replacement parts etc.

Biggest issue is it’s going to be expensive - will people pay?

In my albeit anecdotal experience, these ‘very basic’ appliances suffer their own variant of faults. They take no modern design cues; they are more prone to reliability issues from bargain bin components; or they somehow cost only slightly less than their fancy feature rich counterparts.

Just because I don’t want off-white equipment in my kitchen, I shouldn’t have to buy an ‘AI’ oven. But the companies want to know when and what I’m cooking so when I go to the grocery in the middle of dinner prep, the AI price labels can adjust a bit higher because they know I need an ingredient right now for a meal I’ve already started making.

The variant of fault these normal appliances have aren’t truly a fault. It’s intentionally made to be less appealing, less reliable, and more expensive than it should be, so when we’re looking at a white oven in the store for $800, we’ll opt instead for the $1,000 Alexa powered stainless steel double range that’s sitting right next to it.

Oh and if you’re in a spot and need to finance your new appliance, sorry but our financing isn’t available for the budget tier.

This comment kind of went off the rails, didn’t it.

People would likely want products with new features and reliability.

But what we actually have on the market is products with new features that are mostly unreliable, and slightly cheaper products with less features that are similarly or more unreliable. Our products are clearly regressing in quality even if the existence of luxury features or designs are rising.

We are in a hostile relationship economically where almost every manufacturer is engaging in planned obsolescence (instead of using resources appropriately and making the products we want which also last).

Corporations want us to keep buying - they are hyper-focused on perpetuating that reality.

My recent experience buying such is that it is very very hard to find basic but quality models. If you’ve had a water dispenser or ice maker once, you realize how awful they are. They take up massive amounts of fridge and freezer space and need expensive filters every 3 months and break as soon as the short warranty is over. But if you want double door and bottom freezer you pretty much have to buy the crap extras as well.

I don’t think complex design is the opposite of “just” it’s more that the refrigerator is just a kitchen refrigerator that doesn’t have weird proprietary temperature management system, and easily accessible replacement parts. It’s not also a built in tablet for example

But are there simple fridges that don’t look like rental apt fridges? If there was a nice simple fridge with a big bottom freezer, in stainless, I bet it’d sell. Tho water dispensers and ice makers are damn convenient when they do work.

It’s called the adult version because it involves fluids.

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Eh. You are a piece of software running on meat. Every night, there are long periods where ‘you’, the conscious entity of your awareness, ceases to exist. You only dream for a small portion of the night. There are times when you are simply gone.

Yet we have no problem accepting this fact. We’ve just collectively accepted that there is some continuity of consciousness between each day. But it couldn’t be further from the truth. You have the memories of yesterday, but ‘you’ have not been in continued conscious existence since yesterday. In a very real sense, we are a series of single-day lifetimes stitched together across time.

If you’ve ever gone under anesthesia, it’s even more jarring. When you’re under, you’re not asleep. You’re not dreaming. You’re just gone. The time passes in an instant.

If my consciousness can be discontinuous through time, why can’t it be discontinuous through space? If I can believe that I am the same me as the mes of yesterday and tomorrow, why can I not believe that a remotely assembled copy of me is also me? I used to run on that meat, now I run on this meat. It’s all me in the end.

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