• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
    66·
    7 days ago

    Reminds me of a joke:

    The faculty of the engineering department at a university are gifted a free vacation retreat. Once everyone is in their seats on the plane, the captain announces that the very plane they’re sitting in was designed and built by their own students.

    Chaos breaks out as the passengers scramble for the exits, until only one professor remains, calmly and confidently poised in his seat.

    Naturally, he is asked why he didn’t panic like his colleagues. With a knowing smile he replies “I know the abilities of my students, I’ve seen what they’re capable of accomplishing when they apply themselves. I can assure you this piece of shit will never start.”

  • FrogmanL@lemmy.world
    34·
    6 days ago

    If anyone is s curious, I work in that industry, and that is why it is so regulated. A lot of things have to go wrong for any single person’s mistake to matter. We test the heck out of aircraft. Some of these tests are absurd, but they’re meant to prove that the code still works even if the plane flies through the twilight zone.

    • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
      14·
      6 days ago

      I also work in the industry and yet you’ve got a company that didn’t follow the rules of redundancy, locked a normally required safety critical architecture and software of using redundant sensor behind paid DLC and caused two fatal crashes.

  • iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
    30·
    7 days ago

    Having worked in this industry for going on 25 years, I long ago learned that there are way too many incompetent programmers in the world working critical jobs. It’s best not to think about it.

    • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
      10·
      7 days ago

      Judge any service (and most other stuff) by its support, aftercare and how they handle complaints / fix problems.

      That’s worth more than flashy front end, marketing bs or even technical performance specs.

      • bluewing@lemm.ee
        2·
        5 days ago

        Yep. When buying a product, it ain’t about the packaging, color of the paint, or the sticker/badge hung on it. It’s all about the service when things go sideways. And at some point something will go wrong, it always does. That’s when you learn just how good or bad a company is.

  • wieson@feddit.org
    20·
    7 days ago

    These things should never come down to the individual skill of the programmer. There should be systems and checks in place to assure the quality. And if the quality isn’t reached, the programmer needs enough time and support to reach them.

    But we all know, being thorough doesn’t pay.

  • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
    18·
    7 days ago

    this makes me think of the dilbert where the lazy guy talks about reusing code from payroll on this project for airline software and warns his workmates to not fly on payday.

  • tentaclius@lemm.ee
    13·
    6 days ago

    I’d say ‘Imposter Syndrome’ + ‘Past Job Position Trauma’. There should be good review process and good pipeline with automatic testing and static code analysis, it shouldn’t be a responsibility of a single person.

  • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
    3·
    7 days ago

    Don’t fly in a plane until aftr you’ve applied and been rejected then, surely.

  • TheChickenOfDoom@lemm.eeEnglish
    313·
    7 days ago

    Have never and will never fly. Don’t care. Too much shit goes wrong. “BUT YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET IN AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT” Yeah, but cars tend to not FALL OUT OF THE FUCKING SKY FROM WAY THE HELL FAR UP WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG. Hate that fucking statistic because you DO have a good amount of control over the safety of your own car vs. a plane that if any little thing goes wrong, you’re likely fucked.

    Sure, there are dangers driving a damn car. There’s danger walking out of your front door. Getting into the shower. Doing ANYTHING in this life with our frail-ass human bodies. I’m not going to escalate that by going up into the goddamn sky on board an old-ass fucking airplane depending on half-assed maintenance and poorly done code. If my car fails, it’s on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck. If I get hit by someone, or I hit someone, at least I can survive and that is significantly improved with the quality of my driving. If the plane fails, I’m fucking dead, end of fucking story.

    Don’t give me this CARS ARE MORE DANGEROUS shit. And “odds” mean nothing because at any time the odds can fall against you. Odds aren’t a guarantee of “this has to happen X number of times in Y without fail”. Typical uneducated thinking.

    • tauonite@lemmy.world
      4·
      7 days ago

      Planes fail all the time. That’s five separate incidents from this week. It’s very rare that an accident happens, and this can be seen in the statistics. If you’re curious how accidents do happen, check out Mentour Pilot’s videos on YouTube. I understand that being in control of a car feels safer but the statistics don’t lie.

    • 3xBork@lemmy.world
      12·
      7 days ago

      It’s less uneducated thinking and more “here’s a thing I read online that I can parrot to show that I am more rational than others”.

      That statistic could be entirely unfounded and people would still be repeating it because it serves their purposes. Internet nerds love gotchas.

      That aside, fully agreed regarding the level of control. It’s a little like saying “people have - and therefore you have - an x% chance of getting lung cancer” while completing ignoring that a huge portion of that is a direct result of only some people’s behaviour, namely smoking.

      The people driving defensively, sober and attentively are not likely to be the ones folding themselves around a roadside tree.