Indian foreign ministry claims ‘security threats’ after Trudeau’s explosive allegation of state-sponsored killing mean it cannot provide visa services safely
India says it is indefinitely suspending visa services in all categories for all Canadian nationals due to “security threats” to its consulates, amid a furious diplomatic row between the two countries.
Indian foreign ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said they have suspended “all categories” of visas, including e-visas and for Canadian citizens applying from third countries.
And India has also moved to downsize the Canadian diplomatic presence in New Delhi, saying that Canada has more embassy workers in its capital than visa versa and that it wants to restore “parity”.
It comes after Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau said there were “credible allegations” of the Indian state’s involvement in the murder of Sikh separatist leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar in Canada, triggering a furious tit-for-tat row.
So pathetic from India - seeking to punish Canada for the fact that the Indian government murdered a Canadian in Canada, and Canada had the temerity to call them out for it.
What an absurd victim complex Modi has.
Typical conservative snowflake. How dare you say anything about me? Throwing people in prison for criticism is commonplace in India.
Unfortunately many of the Sikh people are being subject to genocide and not just locked up.
It’s sadly not uncommon among Brahmins. “How can these people we literally enslaved for millennia DARE want to convert to a different religion? Why aren’t they more grateful?”
Astonishing insight into the thought process of this poster. I’ve learnt a lot.
Look at your name and ask yourself if anyone in your life takes you seriously. Go play with play dough
SEE YOU SPACE COWBOY
I seriously doubt you’ve learned much.
The Modi govt has surpassed its own stupidity . They’ve officially labeled Canada an international terrorist sanctuary — “a safe haven for terrorists, for extremists, and for organized crime,” in the words of the Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson. I’ve just posted on this zine
Canada, now you lol
That’s what India wants…
They want to stop the brain drain their country is experiencing. If they outright forbid their citizens from emigrating, then they’re obviously the bad guys.
If they can make other countries stop Indians from immigrating, the. It Stokes the “us against the world” sentiment that far authoritarian goverments need to stay in power.
The absolute worst thing any country can do to India, is open up for refugees from there. People would be throwing out their Indian citizenship left and right
Canada is hurting right now by taking in so many immigrants, primarily from India. Many companies are using it to suppress wages. Its causing huge strain on housing were kids today will not own a home without assistance from a family member. Its baffling the amount of immigrants Canada is bringing in.
You need those immigrants to work the low wages you won’t. The problem is all the frderal governments that have stopped building social housing twenty years ago. A deficit of millions of low cost units is there problem, not new people in the country.
Blame your concerned conservative and liberal leaders for the last twenty years, not the brown skinned guy trying to feed his kids.
Blame your concerned conservative and liberal leaders for the last twenty years, not the brown skinned guy trying to feed his kids.
Am I crazy or is that not exactly what the comment you replied to did? I didn’t see any racism or blame against Indians, it was entirely blaming the Canadian government for their immigration policies. I don’t know that I agree with the OP you replied to, but we should be able to have this conversation without devolving into “well you’re racist”
You need those immigrants to work the low wages you won’t.
I’d be interested to see some stats on average wages of Indian immigrants if you have any. There are a ton of Indians in my industry (tech) and they are very skilled and make very good wages. Imo they’re a valuable asset to my industry and I don’t believe they bring the average salaries down, but I don’t agree with the mindset that every immigrant is working at Tim Hortons or something.
While this thread is about India, immigrants come from all over the world. Some work IT, some work health care, many work the service industry, many drive trucks, many clean buildings, many work on farms, and so on.
Yes, this thread is about India, hence why I said:
I’d be interested to see some stats on average wages of Indian immigrants if you have any
Your response is goalpost moving and hand wavy.
The problem is that bringing in TFW’s to work at Tim Hortons allows the shitty food chain to keep their wages artificially low.
So stop shopping there, don’t support the bullshit. Start talking to the workers about unionizing.
Rich people are fucking you over. They’ll do whatever they can get away with. And they’re successfully convincing people that people that don’t look like you are the problem.
Don’t kid yourself, they can raise wages plety without affecting the price of your coffee, but they won’t touch their profit margin so the extra cost gets passed to the consumer.
Agreed.
And I don’t. Haven’t been to Tim Hortons more than twice in the last 6 years.
I’m with you.
Totally agree with the sentiment, but if I were to boycott everything I disagree with I’d be a hermit living in the woods… actually that doesn’t sound terrible
You need those immigrants to work the low wages you won’t
Or, to put it another way: shitty corps and their govt lackeys need those pliable immigrants to work for the underpaid and abusive jobs that Canadians won’t, rather than fixing the pay and working conditions
Ding ding ding
Gee if no one is working for those low wages, the solution is for wages to rise not to bring in more workers to sustain poverty wages.
You’d think so, but the people that own the land and equipment also spend money on politicians that keep that kind of policy from passing into law.
They’re not working low wage jobs. These are decent paying middle income jobs that’s driving many 3rd and greater generation Canadians to lose any socioeconomic status within their own country. The Canadian government is hollowing out the middle class in favor of immigration who are taking these well paying jobs to suppress wages so its cheaper to produce the goods and services. Offshoring didn’t work out well so they brought the offshore to Canada and its a pretty serious issue that has caused a generation of Canadians to experience very hard times
Its driving more Canadians into low wage jobs though and increasing pressure there.
We’ll fix our problems when we realize it’s supposed to be class warfare, not racism.
The people trying to feed the kids are not the source of our problems, it’s the white people who made government policies that are fucking everyone who isn’t rich.
We need immigrants because there is not enough people to fill jobs.
It’s not just jobs, Canada is extremely underpopulated for its size. There’s literally more people in the state of California than all of Canada.
Canada has a higher population than California.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005-eng.htm
The majority of Canada isn’t populated due to extreme climate and miminal arable lands.
There’s people living in the artics and tundras of Canada. As far as arable land, you actually think the world’s second largest country by mass isn’t arable?
As far as population you are right though, their population did just recently surpass California.
Roughly 5% of Canada is arable.
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/arable-land-percent-of-land-area-wb-data.html
Roughly 150,000 people live in the artic and tundra. The majority of them are indigenous. 0.003% of the population of Canada.
Weird since we have a ton of people with student debt and no jobs
Unemployment is at all time lows across Canada. Fuck off.
I’m not saying you’re wrong but I’d love to know why there are so many more homeless people and intersection beggars in my city than I’ve seen in almost 40 years, if that’s true.
This wasn’t meant to be related to the post we are commenting on, just a casual observation/question.
Edit: I ask a question and get downvotes. You people are fucking hopeless.
Unemployment and homelessness are not related.
The majority of Canada’s homeless population also work. The majority of Canada’s homeless population only spends a few months homeless.
The last 40 years you say?
(this is the US but we’re heavily influenced by them. I doubt ours is any different)
I’ll bet you’re baffled as to why people call you racist too.
I bet you call a lot of things racist
lol
India seems to be one of their biggest sources of immigrants. Looks like they hoover up tech workers.
Likely works in Canada’s favour to not do the same.
India is the world’s biggest source of immigrants.
It’s got 1/8 (well 3/16) of the population. Not surprising.
what is the difference between expats and immigrants?
There is none. Expats are immigrants that don’t like to be associated with immigrants from poorer countries.
Not sure if this is a serious question or not.
There is no difference between an expat and an immigrant. It’s a term white people like to use to avoid calling themselves immigrants, because in their mind that’s a term reserved for brown people…
Edit: I am a white btw
Expats are what white people call themselves because they think “immigrants” sounds low class. There is no difference. You mostly see it from American and Western Europeans when they move abroad.
Expats move to where cost of living is cheaper so they can retire early.
Immigrants move to where it’s higher in search of jobs.
People argue it’s the same thing so they should be called the same thing, but if it’s for two different reasons, it makes sense there’s two different words for it.
There’s no difference. Both are moving elsewhere (immigrating) to increase their quality of life.
If you strip the context to its most basic form then yeah they’re both moving somewhere to nebulously increase their quality of life. Much like elevators and stairs are the same thing because they’re infrastructure that allows you to reach floors in a building that aren’t ground level.
I don’t agree with that comparison. Expats and immigrants are doing the same thing. For different reasons sure, but the way they do it is the about the same. Imo people like to call themselves expats because they don’t wanna be associated with other immigrants.
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You have a bunch of wrong answers.
Expats intend to go back to their home country after some time.
Immigrants intend to stay at their destination country.
Granted the term is misused by white people who want to call themselves expats instead of calling themselves immigrants.
An expat is a person who resides abroad for work for a fixed period and intents to move back home once their contract has ended. However the term expats is used by high educated immigrants who don’t want to be called immigrants especially white people.
Green cards (permanent resident card) in the US are processed in queues. The queues are based on your country of birth. Last I checked Chinas queue time is around 5 years whereas Indias is around 10 years.
"Canada and its growing reputation as a safe haven for terrorists, for extremists, and for organised crime. And I think that’s a country that needs to worry about its international reputation”
Never thought I’d read a statement like that from someone who was serious.
Indian with it’s assassins and cult government…
In fairness to Modi, Canada is already well known as a haven to clean dirty money.
I thought that was Luxembourg.
Had to read the comments to figure out how in the world CANADA was managing to piss people off.
We don’t like foreign governments conducting assassinations of our citizens eh
Fair enough
I’ve followed the headlines on this but I just don’t get it.
India is pissed they were called out? They didn’t consider a cranky Canadian outcome before hand? Or is Canada flinging wild accusations that are unjustified with the information at hand?
These diplomats need to chillax and go back to being diplomatic before legitimate Canadian expats in India and legitimate Indian expats in Canada start to feel the brunt of this.
There is strong evidence that hasn’t been released but leaked sources claim one of the two killers(captured) have ties to Indian Intelligence the other being an Indian diplomat(uncaptured). This means it’s a direct attack on a Canadian on Canadian soil by a foreign agent.
India is pissed because Canada harbored an alleged terrorist. Even though the terrorist in question was freed by the Indian government and was not wanted by Interpol.
The Indian government is currently genociding its Sikh population and calls anyone outspoken about these actions as terrorist.
This action of closing immigration from Canada is to get an equal reaction. India want to stop all of their skilled and intelligent people from leaving to Canada.
Canada seems to have pretty credible evidence for it. India seems to be doubling down in indignation rather than apologize or admit they did anything wrong.
Deny, shift the blame, try to victimize yourself and blame the actual victim.
It is standard narcissist playbook which is also standard authoritarian playbook.
Weird move when Canada represents India’s seventh largest diaspora population, and the number of Indians who became permanent residents in Canada increased 260 per cent from 2013 to 2022.
The amount of Indians living in Canada is crazy, really. A few years ago during Covid I arrived in Vancouver airport and literally thought that I took a wrong plane somewhere and arrived in India instead.
There were only Indian personnel everywhere until I arrived at the border security. Everyone else is Indian. Then in Vancouver itself, I’d guess that 30% of the people are Indian. It’s crazy enourmous really
Is India such a popular destination for Canadians ? I mean who is hurt more in this “he`s done it, so i pay back” game?
Something like 7% of Canada’s population is South Asian. I don’t know what percentage of that has Canadian citizenship and is specifically from India, but I’d guess there are a fair number of people who won’t be able to visit family now. It’s a shitty way to retaliate, but not unsurprising coming from Modi.
Well those who come from India they don’t need visa and second generation of original immigrants might not have such a tight relations on average as they have lived whole life in Canada. Then how many Canadians work in India in comparison to how many Indians work in Canada. I’m just guessing here but somehow I think Indians are hurting their own people. If it’s about tourism , then again who needs tourism more if we count only tourists from these two countries visiting each other.
Interesting. I do passport applications (granted, in the US, so not completely the same), but I see a fair amount of 2nd gen Indians who are going to India. Lots of people going for weddings or young adults visiting grandparents or taking their own babies to meet the extended family. Regardless, it’s super petty.
they hurt their own people in sense not Canadians in general. (Graparents won’t see their grandchildren etc)
I doubt there are many Canadians who go there for leisure, but for work? I bet there’s quite a few of them.
Do you think more Canadians work in India or vice versa? I don’t know but somehow I get feeling Indians like working for higher $$$ in the west then Canadians in the India.
Sometime i think Modi studied from the same school where Xi Jinping and putin pass out.
Modi doesn’t have any college degree even though he claims so but refuses to share college certificate so far.
The documentary “India’s Daughter” enlightened me to the actual India.
Wow who would have thought, India is winning the North Korea speed run challenge.
Russia already won first place. But man, I was cheering for India for a while but this last year they are having me lose a substantial amount of goodwill towards them even after trying to find excuses. I hope they check themselves before its too late.
Modi going full-bore with Kremlin tactics and methods emulating his pal, Putin.
He’s destroying indias credibility on the world stage, this is really sad to see.
It’s harmful to Indian citizens and Canadians as well
Its funny coz I think Modi thinks people are dying to visit India.🤣🤣 its like Taliban thinking Afghanistan is the most developed country in the world.🤣🤣🤣
As they should, India is an amazing and very unique country
Most westerners would not be able to handle India. While yes its full of rich history and culture, the state of cities would be too much for most first worlders to handle.
Also, I’m definitely spending money and my PTO for what’s going to be quite an unpleasant experience. There are many places that are beautiful and culture rich as well without as much unpleasantness.
Only Indians think that.
I am about as Indian as you are Nigerian
I didn’t downvote, but nothing is “very unique” for the same reason that nobody is “very pregnant”.
Either it is unique or it is not.
India is fuckin incredible, what makes you think anyone is lining up to visit Canada?
Lol
Students. Higher education in India is incredibly bad. Thousands of Indians pay huge sums to get into Canadian unis.
Higher education in India is incredibly bad.
Imma be level with you homie, the only Indians who leave to Canada for higher education are the ones who did not make it into the top universities in India.
India has some of the highest ranked universities in the world. It’s a country famous for putting out doctors. Yes, there are issues with higher ed, but it’s not as simple as “incredibly bad”. And don’t forget that a large number of foreign students is also a product of just having a large population.
India has some of the highest ranked universities in the world.
Whose capacity is close to nothing for the population. Indian universities fall in two categories: really good ones or absolute shit ones (source: I’m an Indian). There is no middle category. To get into the really good ones, you have to either have an exceptionally good academic performance or have to be extremely rich. Universities outside India fill in the demand of this middle category. Sprinkle in some permanent emigration aspirations and you get a country with a large emigrating student population.
It’s a country famous for putting out doctors.
While it is true that this is the perception of India especially in the west, it is categorically untrue. According to the World Health Organization (2023), India ranks very low in the amount of doctors per 10,000 people relative to developed countries (by more than 300%). If you counter this by saying “this is because all Indian doctors emigrate to the said developed countries”, then that would be incorrect again, as around 10% of Indian physicians emigrate and practice in the west.
And don’t forget that a large number of foreign students is also a product of just having a large population.
I believe you are pinning “a large population” as the causal factor behind a high student emigrant population. Had this really been a causal factor, then we would’ve seen European and American students in Indian Universities proportional to their population (which when combined, makes up around half of India’s population). The fact that we do not observe this phenomenon is evidence enough that “a large population” is not the causal factor behind this. Rather, it is the access to good education which plays a much much larger role.
How does it make any sense?
“We murder a person in your country, but you mad?! >:( no visa for you!!!”
Now how are Canadians going to get executed
