• MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    751·
    3 天前

    I’m on the reservation list for a Steam Machine and personally have no regrets, but I’m so happy these exist. I don’t think it has to be a big competition, but between not appealing to a mass audience and have limited stock, the Steam Machine may have inadvertently ushered in a prebuilt Linux PC revolution, and that’s a wonderful thing.

    • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      6·
      2 天前

      inadvertently

      I suspect Valve knew what they were doing, and while they probably care more about having prebuilts with Steam preinstalled and convenient to use, they included desktop mode in SteamOS and made sure the steam deck was open to tinkering.

    • GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      1 天前

      You’ve been able to make a low powered Linux machine whenever you wanted to. The Steam machine didn’t change anything.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        21·
        21 小时前

        Not everyone wants to build their own PC, and that’s okay. Other use cases exist besides just what the hardcore PC crowd wants. There was a penguin-shaped gap in the prebuilt market, and now the Linux gap is closing, thankfully.

    • dzsimbo@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      311·
      3 天前

      Can we finally say it? Is the year of the Linux desktop finally upon us??

      • Holytimes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        2 天前

        The year of the Linux desktop came and went honestly a while ago with kde 6 and proton hitting the scene.

        Now it’s the year of the Linux pre built.

      • ghurab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        151·
        3 天前

        nah, it’s more like the year of the linux game console, if anything.

        • Axolotl@feddit.itEnglish
          7·
          3 天前

          Neither the Steam Machine nor this Steamroller are consoles tho

          Edit: grammar

          • ghurab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            3 天前

            something something quacks like a duck, swins like a duck, it’s a duck. The steam machine does swim like a duck behave like what is commonly referres to as a game console. The steamroller is debatable tho.

            The steam machine:

            • Custom hardware
            • Custom software and os
            • Specifically designed to play games
            • Has a dedicated controller
            • Designed to work well with a living room TV (HDMI-CEC)

            The only difference between the steam machine and other consoles is that it’s not locked down

          • bridgeburner@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            3 天前

            The Steam Machine ain’t a typical PC either, at least that’s not the intention on how it is to be used. It’s kinda a PC-console hybrid.

  • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10717·
    4 天前

    It feels so needlessly aggressive. Valve openly stated that there are alternatives to the Steam Machine, and they aren’t trying to own the market. Calling your prebuilt the “Steamroller” is kind of a dickhead move. That’s like Del Taco coming out with a deep friend taco shell and calling it “Fuck your Chalupa, bitch.”

    ITT: People who have no idea how marketing and advertising work.

    • Atropos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      82·
      3 天前

      That’s not really how I read it. Clearly they are leveraging vale products, (steam os) so include steam in the name. They probably want this name to evoke strength and power, so what’s something with steam in the name that is powerful? A steamroller.

      I don’t think it is meant to roll steam!

      • KoboldCoterie@pawb.socialEnglish
        202·
        4 天前

        They specifically advertise it as an “upgradable alternative to the Steam Machine”; with that in mind, assuming the name isn’t intended to evoke comparisons to Steam Machine is kind of ridiculous, no?

    • Whitebrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      29·
      4 天前

      I’m not sure I’d be able to order a “fuck your chalupa, bitch” with a straight face, but I’ll try.

    • bigbangdangler@reddthat.comEnglish
      27·
      4 天前

      Eh, I see your point, but it feels pretty tongue-in-cheek to me. Steamroller is just a cool name that implies the thing is a workhorse.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      3 天前

      What’s the problem with it, exactly? As long as it lives up to its promise and is a better machine, why shouldn’t they market it as a better machine or make direct comparisons?

      It’s not even saying the steam one is bad, just that it is better.

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 天前

      That’s like Del Taco coming out with a deep friend taco shell and calling it “Fuck your Chalupa, bitch.”

      I would go to Del Taco right this moment if this were real.

    • rafoix@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      3 天前

      What about making a spherical system and calling it the Steamcube?

      I think it would get massive amounts of free advertising. Not sure if it would sell because I wouldn’t want it.

      • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        31·
        2 天前

        A little bit more than just hardware, it’s also official support from Valve, who are also the creators and maintainers of both Steam and SteamOS. We’ll see how much that counts for, I think Valve doesn’t have a great reputation for their support.

      • halcyoncmdr@piefed.socialEnglish
        12·
        3 天前

        The Steam Machine also still has the advantage of HDMI CEC. Since none of the GPU manufacturers seem to want to bother with even on cards with HDMI ports.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      3 天前

      Or, theres only so many ways you can make a punny name on Steam OS.

      But of course that doesnt allow for righteous indignity.

  • auzy1@lemmy.worldEnglish
    821·
    4 天前

    And unlike Nintendo switch, you can play games you bought 15 years ago… and use other stores or emulation

  • 87Six@lemmy.zipEnglish
    2·
    2 天前

    Wonder what percent is the chance you get it shipped with the CPU cooler plastic cover still attached

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    201·
    4 天前

    Not that it’s a bad thing, but did anyone ever offer something like Bazzite before?

    OEMs were waiting for SteamOS because it shifts the OS support to Valve instead of DIY, but I wonder if anyone tried before SteamOS was ready.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      3 天前

      Bazzite itself has an OS image specifically for handled PCs, and even desktop Bazzite has an option to boot into game mode basically “Big Picture mode”

      They’ve had this for a while

  • RiQuY@lemmy.zipEnglish
    81·
    3 天前

    I can’t see the size listed anywhere, this is just a mini itx junk box.

    • TheOakTree@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      2 天前

      From what I can tell, the PC in the image is built in the Jonsbo D32 PRO MESH Black, which is listed as “D396×W207×H314mm”. However, the META PCs page says it’s built in the Jonsbo D32 Black, which doesn’t quite exist (the Jonsbo D32 models are PRO Black, PRO MESH Black, and STD Black). Thankfully, they are all the same size and the only differences are the side panel (mesh vs glass) and whether or not it has a moveable spine for variable spacing (PRO vs STD).

      Though, the META PCs website should really be more specific in their specs list.

      • auzy1@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 天前

        Seems fine for most gamers… As others have said, Steam don’t make much profit on it, and the hardware isn’t bad.

        Not everyone is playing 4K titles with raytracing. And when you start considering how quickly the cost of games adds up, steam ends up cheaper fairly quickly (I can’t imagine buying 300 games on PS5 lol)

        • GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          2 天前

          The hardware is bad. It’s a power throttled bottom of the barrel GPU and CPU. It’s a 1080p30fps machine for anything other than indies, and for most AAA gaming it will need the atrocious FSR to even get to that.

          It’s not upgradable either, so it’s not like you can just swap out the GPU or CPU for a better one later.

          For a machine that’s targeting the living room, where most people who might consider buying this would be wanting to use it on a big 4K TV, they’ve made the worst possible performing machine for that use case.

          I’m not sure how much of a console gamer you are, or how much you keep an eye on game prices, but almost every sale on steam for games that are on consoles happens on Xbox and PlayStation too. I know because I often have to choose between buying on Xbox or Steam when there’s a sale, and the Xbox version with play anywhere is the same price as the steam one so I usually buy the Xbox one.

        • winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          7·
          2 天前

          From the comparison I saw valve is only making ~$71 per device which honestly isn’t that much of a premium for a pre-built mini pc

          • Joelk111@lemmy.world
            English
            31·
            2 天前

            I’m kinda surprised they don’t just sell it at cost. We knew they couldn’t subsidize the price with game sales, as anyone could buy this and install a different OS without ever buying a single steam game, but I kinda figured they’d bank on most people not doing that, hence selling at cost.

            Maybe it’s just ~$71 margin for component costs to inflate further without the need for them to change the price.

          • GoatSynagogue@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            2 天前

            It doesn’t really matter how much profit they’re making on it, it’s a bad deal because every other comparable low end pc is upgradable whereas the steam machine isn’t.

            There’s just no reason for a locked-hardware low-end device like the steam machine to exist. Why would anyone want a non-upgradable PC, when the reason people play on PC is for the upgradability?

  • Sunspear@piefed.socialEnglish
    10·
    4 天前

    Yknow, other than the 16GB RAM (reasonable given the situation), this aint that bad, for similar specs (Ryzen 5 7600, RX 6750 XT), I paid 1100€ at most two years ago

    Of course, the rest of the components also matter, as well as the VRAM difference, but could be worse anyhow