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Ah yes, you know what’s better than a taxi driver? A taxi driver who relies on a camera with a limited field of vision, experiences input and video lag, and receives none of the tactile sensations that allow drivers to gauge road conditions.
also one that has no personal stake in the safety of their driving
Yeah, but you’re ignoring one thing. I don’t have to sit awkwardly hoping the driver doesn’t talk to me. The risk/reward here might be screwed but I live dangerously.
Plus I welcome the opportunity to sue/fuck-over elon.
Nah it’ll be in the terms and conditions that he’s not personally responsible for any damages/injuries.
Yes, that’s one aspect but we’re talking California here. Tar and feathering and legislation will soon follow.
Multiple people have already died in San Francisco due to these trash heaps. I can think of at least 2 confirmed incidents where the robo-taxis and their inability to deal with unusual situations has gotten people killed. One was very direct in which the car ran over a pedestrian, and another was somewhat indirect but still clearly responsible. San Francisco has notoriously narrow streets and 1 or 2 (I can’t remember specifically at the moment) robo-taxis blocked a roadway and prevented an ambulance from getting to a patient that died before they arrived because of the delay.
In both instances, they didn’t have passengers, so I think that made them a lower priority for the human interventions.
And California is still dragging its heels on cracking down on this bullshit. Someone rich will have to die first. Poor people don’t count.
People who don’t drive themselves will be responsible for the UI of all this.
This really just comes down to people in a certain income brackets are uncomfortable being in close contact with a working class person.
That’s why they don’t like trains, that’s why they don’t like taxis.
I just love we have this nice simple solution to fix traffic congestion and its been around for so long. It even hurts when people say “im forced to take public transit” like really? Owning a car is not a right. I personally do not get the hate for public transportation.
My father when he visits the city to see me refuses to use the subway, even though it’s a five minute ride from where he parks his car - he ubers instead. It’s because he is frightened being trapped in a box with the poors.
When i got into work, coworkers asked me how i got in and i said Subway, they joked about having to avoid getting stabbed.
My friends are voting conservative in the upcoming election because they’ve seen too many poor people on the street engaging in anti-social behaviour (being drunk, and talking loud)
It’s fucking insanity to me.
mindblowing that people think you just get stabbed all the time on the subway. I live in Toronto and have taken buses, trains, streetcars, the SRT and the subway. The only complaint i have had is that I wish there was more funding for public transit to improve service. I have seen drunks and homeless people on the subway/bus/streetcar before, but never have had a problem. What people SHOULD be making an issue about is how these people end up in this situations, and how we can help them, and also be proactive and avoid it from happening in the future to more people.
It’s a good thing that’s not what’s happening, but I guess that doesn’t help the “Musk Bad” agenda
is planning to hire a human team to remotely troubleshoot its robotaxi operations.
The job post also notes that such a teleoperation center requires “building highly optimized low latency reliable data streaming over unreliable transports in the real world.” Tele-operators can be “transported” into the robotaxi via a “state-of-the-art VR rig,” it adds.
Sounds an awful lot like they’re going to need someone to remote pilot those cars when they get stuck. It also sounds like the system will have at least some latency, and will probably rely entirely on cameras, since Musk doesn’t build LiDAR or other non-visual sensors into his cars anymore! Anyway, sorry if that disrupts your, “I’m a sad dork who feels the need to defend the world’s richest man even though he makes hundreds of stupid, childish decisions that are clearly detrimental to the companies he owns,” agenda.
When are people ever going to figure out that Tesla’s “autopilot” is a freaking scam?
The same day people realize relgion is a scam.
“Remotely control”, or “drive” if you will.
Only with worse vision, worse reflexes and probably worse pay
And without survival instinct or adrenaline to distract during decisions, great!
Crazy Taxi: The Movie!
Worse pay and worse working conditions is the killer app of “tech” these days.
3 weeks later:
“Your honour, it was the ping!”
Prosecution calls first witness; my teenage neighbor nemesis, his 28.8k baud modem, and Warcraft2
Objection! Speculation!
How about hiring people to drive the taxis… Instead of hiring people to remotely drive the taxi… What exactly would be the difference??? Except actually having the driver in the vehicle is proven to work…
You can hire someone in another country to drive remotely, so can find cheaper labor. They could also theoretically have them multitask driving multiple vehicles at once.
Edit to clarify, I don’t think this is good, but I think people trying to make money (eg Musk) will push for these kinds of things regardless of the safety.
Driving multiple vehicles at once??? Would you take a taxi driven by a person in another country who was not paying attention full attention to the one you are in???
Nobody ever said it was a sane plan.
That sounds safe /s
That is a disaster waiting to happen.
Because latency and removing the personal accountability of not wanting to die in a car crash are a feature!
optics. Tesla has attracted so much investment money, and tech enthusiast customers with the promise of fully self-driving vehicles that they need to keep the illusion at all cost.
Hey more jobs for taxi drivers and safer to do from the comfort of your home. Just like a drone pilot!
Who would have thought that Taxi drivers one day would be able to work from home?
Lots of taxi drivers are already reckless. Imagine if they can drive remotely!
They’ll be driving multiple cars at the same time, while drunk.
Can’t wait for the first 8 year old to be on trial for manslaughter because his dad had to go to the bathroom but didn’t want to lose his fare.
That’s not how any of this works.
It’s a hyperbole.
Just like a drone pilot!
Why must you drone on???
Nah, they’ll still have to come into the office 3-4 days a week for “collaboration” and “cross-team building”. But they can do their drone whatsyhootzit from their cramped cubicles!
No, it’s not. Many companies are doing this monitoring at 10:1 ratios. It hurts my brain that so many people don’t understand what a massive industry changing number that is. Even at early maturity these systems can reduce workforce by 90%.
Which is a good thing right?
The remaining problem being not enough political pressure to get universal basic income going.
For the cab industry yes. Fuck everyone of them. Zero accountability.
Jebus Christ, it was a joke.
I’m happy that the number of blow-jobs-while-working will increase for this sector
This is gonna kill people from the input lag alone.
There was an incident not too long ago where one of these robo-taxis ran a woman over to avoid another car doing something it didn’t expect and then it froze up and wouldn’t move at all with the woman trapped under the car. There wasn’t a driver to get out and help and it took a few minutes for bystanders to get involved to help her, and she ended up dying at the scene.
If we can’t get rid of these monstrosities, at least having a human monitoring them that can call 911 is important, but that still doesn’t solve the problem of there not being a human present to render aid if something goes wrong. (Not to imply that every human will be willing or able to render aid, but some chance of help is better than no chance of help.)
6 months from now it will be illegal to report crashes involving these cars.
Real or meme?
100% real bro
They should hire ex US Air Force drone pilots.
The self-driving taxis and humanoid robots companies like Tesla are developing are just a thinly disguised way of getting around immigration law. We’re a very long way away from having autonomous humanoid robots that can clean your house for you. But one remotely piloted by someone in Bangladesh wearing a haptic suit? If the tech was cheap enough, that sort of thing would be profitable.
It’s effectively an extremely perverse and exploitive form of immigration. When we bring immigrants in, they typically take low-level jobs. But they also get opportunities to advance themselves further. Moreover, in the US at least, any children immigrants have on US soil automatically become US citizens. So yes, immigrants come in on the bottom of the social ladder, but they have an opportunity to climb.
Here though? This is a way of getting all the labor we want from immigrants but without offering them the usual deal in return. And even worse, they won’t even be owed minimum wage.
Not only that, there is now a middleman involved so the citizens still get screwed instead of being able to access cheap labour directly.
Tesla would not be the first robotaxi company to use this method. In fact, it’s an industry standard. It was previously reported that Cruise, the robotaxi company owned by General Motors, was employing remote human assistants to troubleshoot when its vehicles ran into trouble (the vehicles appear to have run into trouble every four to five miles). Google’s Waymo is also thought to employ the same practice, as does Zoox, the robotaxi firm owned by Amazon.
Ah, the old mechanical Turk trick. This time with chance of man slaughter.
Manslaughter is just an unavoidable risk in the name of short term profit, but we can counter it with thoughts and prayers /s
That’s like a normal taxi with extra steps!
scammers pull the same shit over the world since the mechanical turk. at this point the joke’s on us.
Waymo is doing the same. Mostly self-driving but when they get stuck a human at a help center takes the sticks. There are a lot of edge cases in the real world so it makes sense to just have the car programmed to be very conservative and let a human deal with it.
My concern is that some driving situations need to be resolved immediately. That handover could be an issue.
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We already knew this was coming.
And to quote the comic:
“Crowdsourced steering” doesn’t sound quite as appealing as “self driving.”
This, but it’s identifying the Muslim to send to the camps. And if you fail, they force you to take a selfie to appear in the captcha yourself
