Atlanta-area prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia are in possession of text messages and emails directly connecting members of Donald Trump’s legal team to the early January 2021 voting system breach in Coffee County, sources tell CNN.
They are so mad they cheated and still lost. This country is going to take so long to heal after this. It really makes me sad.
its amazing how much back and forth happens the richer you are in the legal system. one woman accidentally voted twice, straight to jail.
donald trump indicted 3 times, and god knows how many other terrible things . days in jail : 0
2 sets of laws. which one do you think you fall under?
One could afford bail of course. Because we let rich criminals buy their way out of sitting in jail.
Trump hasn’t even needed to pay bail yet.
When those whom society rewards don’t respect the law
No one will respect the law.
She didn’t even accidentally vote twice, she was sentenced to 8 years for the crime of completing a provisional ballot while the state figured out if she was eligible to vote or not.
Which is what she specifically asked about and was told to do by the voting officials.
Is Trump rich though?
If he wasn’t before he was elected, he certainly is now. He put personal profit ahead of absolutely everything while he was President. The grift is strong with this one.
Are we asking him or the IRS?
Days in jail: 0. So far.
We haven’t healed from the fucking Civil War. Why would we heal from anything more recent?
Feels bad man
I don’t think you will heal and honestly I don’t think you deserve to. America as a country hasn’t really been a force for good. For yourselves or for the world. Also I want to point out that what I’m about to say about America is me talking about the country as a whole. I’m not talking about the people in it, I’m talking about the opinions, decisions and foreign presence of the country. A lot of the time people mistake criticizing a country for criticizing its voters. While the voters have a part to play, and a big one, that’s not necessarily who I’m talking about here. If I say “you” I also just mean the country, not you curious_illusions or you the voter. I’m Canadian so that also should be said I guess. Just FYI.
It requires enormous profits, enormous social pressure, or literal wars to get America to move its opinion on fucking anything. And I’m talking about since it’s inception. America is idiotically stubborn and refuses to take in any new points without glacier like movement in the status quo. Moreover, if you could diagnose a country with personality disorders, America would have Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The entire world has to be related to the country in some fashion. America has outright invaded foreign countries for no valid reason. I’m not talking about “WMDs in Iraq”, although that is valid, I’m talking about the constant invasion of foreign democracies to install dictatorships that are sympathetic to America. Supplying arms to foreign insurgents because their de-stabilizing the government is beneficial to America. Nuking a country twice and then imposing its will so heavily that this country ends up adopting the US Constitution (granted, tweaking it to suit them, but still). Or overthrowing dictators because it believes that America has the right to police the planet.
Actually the policing the planet thing is something else entirely. The world that gets used often about that is “America has the obligation to do so”. Why? No one asked you. Is it because you have the worlds biggest military in some big-truck-tiny-dick syndrome but in Country form? The obligation only comes from the narcissism of putting yourself in a position where the world has to listen to you. The constant psychotic levels of pressure that America puts on foreign countries because it doesn’t align with American values. And I mean values. Sure, a lot of it is often done because profits, but a lot of it is straight up done over values. America threatened to impose heavy trade restrictions with Canada when we wanted to legalize weed in the 90s. Closing the border I get if the drug is illegal in the US, but trade restrictions? Another example of American Imperialism.
So by now, if you’re still reading this at all, you’re probably wondering what the absolute hell this has to do with your original point of the country healing. This is my point. You can’t. All of that shit I listed above (and way more that I had typed out and deleted) is directly because of one extremely simple thing. You’re too big and have too many people. It’s ended up with everyone willingly dividing themselves into regional groups with heavily entrenched positions. People from the north just don’t get people from the south. The opposite is true. People from the East Coast don’t quite get people from the West coast. The opposite is true. You’re all holding knives and then decided to cram up under one umbrella, the Federal Government. A government that cannot rule for the people because the people have schizophrenia. Republicans and Democrats are not compatible and never really have been. The people, as a whole, cant decide on anything collectively while the people, collectively, are fucking dying. You’re killing each other through crass social policies, literal mass murder, and deprivation of medical assistance. The only thing you have in common is a paradoxical patriotism for the country none of you can agree on!
America needs to split into multiple countries. 2, 3, 5. Whatever. This just can’t keep going. You’re going to eventually destroy yourselves, and considering the utterly unnecessary size of that tiny-dick-syndrome military, the rest of the world in the process.
Edit: Honestly guys, your downvotes just prove my point. You are so entrenched in a disgusting amount of patriotism that you cannot see the simple fact that you just don’t deserve to be a country. Not one so large. The civil war happened because of a frustration of states rights, that certain states were being ignored and suppressed to give ‘better treatment’ to others. Now of course that was a thinly veiled excuse when they wanted to say “we want to keep our slaves” but the states rights thing had a point. Your country is too large to govern itself accordingly, yet you have the fucking nerve to invade the rest of the planet. You sit there judging everyone else when your own country allows you to rot from within. You actively cheer and hope that a country can be saved that was declared brain dead under Reagan in the 80s.
You’re performing CPR on a decaying corpse. The downvotes and opinions of those blowing air down a flapping trachea aren’t exactly something I give weight to.
I feel like you have a poor understanding of a lot that you talk about. So let’s just focus on the current politics and if America can heal.
This issue isn’t a east coast vs west coast thing. This is a rural vs urban issue. That’s reflected in voting in major cities vs rural areas of the same states. For that America isn’t the only place suffering from this issue. It’s why you can see fascism in general on the rise in a lot of countries. The same reason it has always worked, really. It makes life easier to blame someone/anyone else for issues. Which is the lifeblood of fascism.
It’s not that young people are leaving rural areas because they feel like there’s limited opportunity, but it’s the liberals corrupting them. It’s not that their industry is dying, but people in the cities are attacking them. It’s not that pay is poor and the work is hard so people will look for other jobs, it’s migrants/lazy workers/greedy people wanting more.
Fascism is able to latch onto these and say we’ll punish the X so that your issues go away, and once they’re gone life will be perfect. Oh X wasn’t the issue, well it’s really Y, and so on. All that’s ever needed is the correct person to stand up saying elect me and I’ll punish the X,Y,Z and it’ll make us better again, but always tends to ignore/help the real issue.
We need to increase opportunities in the rural areas, there will still be push back but it’ll help the pain of people leaving and industries dying. Need to raise working standards so immigrants aren’t abused, but also may attract other people. That way it can’t be so easy to blame them. And need to fix where wealth is leaving well nearly everyone. A poor town stays poor if most of the goods and services are imported and the people providing them don’t reinvest into the area.
All of that is still a simplification, but as I said these issues aren’t local to the US. It’s just consuming mostly US news it’s easy to miss other countries struggling with the same issues.
The actual ‘rural’ population of the us represents 18% of the population. So the theory that ‘rural vs urban’ is the defining demographic of the political division in this country has a math problem.
If it wasn’t for the electoral collage and the house being locked at 435 seats… I think this would be a more compelling argument.
I live in Ohio, there were 647,284 votes for Joe Biden that were invalidated because there were 713,546 votes for Trump. There are an estimated 12 million people living in Ohio. That’s less than 2 million votes.
It’s not “rural” vs “urban”, it’s “rural voters” vs “urban voters” plus all the other stuff. If we went off popular vote, we never would’ve had a Trump presidency; Clinton won by almost 3 million votes.
No, I understand pretty well.
I never said that it was an east vs west thing. I used east vs west as one of a couple of examples. The issue is that the country is catastrophically divided between numerous sides who see their point as being ‘right’. In doing so, they are destroying the lives of EVERYONE by constantly pulling the chain. The country is so large that this constant pulling of the chain is fragmenting every state. No one is getting what they want or what they need. Shit I’ve already said and I’m tired of re-explaining myself.
Rural vs Urban is a problem, and one that needs to be talked about, but it has no place in response to the comment that I’ve made. Your entire point falls flat when other countries have similar issues but to a far less extreme extent. The push and pull of Urban and Rural isn’t what’s causing your country to invade the foreign democracies of others. It isn’t what’s pushing your country to disavow it’s own citizens so heavily that they literally rot away in prisons, eaten by bed bugs. The push and pull of Urban/Rural isn’t what’s allowing gun rights to run on an extremist route where you have one side saying “Please reduce access to guns so my children don’t die” and the other side then responding with increasing the amount of firearms in/near/around schools. The push and pull of Urban/Rural isn’t what’s having one side say “We welcome Immigration” and the other side installing circular saw blades and nets in rivers to saw immigrants in half or for arresting people who dare to give food/water to immigrants.
I’m not entertaining your nonsense any further.
So if you acknowledge that it’s a rural versus urban issue and not a geographic East versus West issue then how does splitting the country up into two or three other countries help?
I acknowledged that rural/urban was an issue, not the issue. Moreover, I said that East vs West was one of multiple examples I gave. Meaning that North/South/East/West are all a disaster and no one gets along. You know. Like I said.
Your comment is based on a failed understanding on your part, not an issue of logic on mine.
Edit: Genuinely can’t stop laughing at you utter fuckwits who somehow can’t understand that there are more directions than east/west and that north/south doesn’t equal rural. But thank you for conclusively proving my point that Americans don’t deserve to have a country lmfao
This might be because you are not clearly conveying what you mean. You brought up east vs west and north vs south but didn’t really say in what they don’t understand each other. You should consider taking the hostility down a notch.
Do you even own a compass?
I mean, I don’t disagree with your sentiment but Ive some pretty big reservations. Everywhere in your essay you say America you can sub in NATO, Japan and the rest of the Five Eyes. We’re all implicit. It’s been a coalition of the willing. There’s guilt all around.
That said;
For some, Pax Americana has been a blessing. For most, actually. Billions out of poverty, the most peaceful time to have ever existed, still, today, even with anachronistic territorial war, and crimes of desperation increasing. As of now, 8/23, 86% of the world owns a smart phone. That’s 6.9 billion people.
Thats a long way. I never thought I’d see the day, honestly, where the whole world is online. I just might yet…!
But we’ve blazed quite the path, thru our atmosphere into space and just our atmosphere in general, and we’ll be dealing with that for generations to come.
And as unfortunate as it is, that’s how society has always been built. Recklessly. We strive for better as a species, I consider this a feature not a flaw, but then it makes a mess cuz we don’t know what we dont know, then some of us go big brain, figure it out, fix it or we adapt. It’s endemic. Cultural heros journey.
But yo, if America splits, there will never be peace on the North America continent ever again. America is OP because we span the distance and bridges the gap. We got a dozen deep water ports where other, major, players maybe have one. Other countries have riverS. We essentially got like, One. But it’s navigable, stretches DEEEEEEEP into almost the entire interior. And we’re resource independent.
The idiots who think we’d be better off breaking up deserve their genetics removed from the gene pool so the collective IQ isn’t drug further down by their idiocy. We’re like a giant Madagascar, who folds that hand?
At the same time, id mourn none if it fell. I think we need to federate regionally, and reduce the current fed government down to a combined armed forces and a round table or presidents, not a single one. Fucking Cascadia Unite (Canadas barely holding their shit together too, BC would totally be down).
Shit id get behind giving the cosplaytriots, err, I mean, fascists, err, I mean republi…no, fascists is more accurate. (Republicans know as much about Republicanism as they know about their bible, which is jack.fucking.shit) the south too, no need to secede! Name it Kekistan, forcibly send them all there, and let them build their wall. Fucking we should volunteer to pay for it for them, just to make sure it’s more DMZ and less Y’all Quida Convoy tail gating and shooting at sharpie hurricanes.
Wall off their Internet too, like the Mormons in heaven.
But in reality, the problems you speak of, and our inability to address them aren’t due to culture, it’s due to capitalism. Every capitalist country is teetering on the brink right now, because with nothing to keep it humble (like comparing itself to the Soviet Union) capitalism went from a more mixed economy to neoliberalism, which is the rich, generally under the legal catfish called a corporation, cannabalizing any and all value from the world.
Rage is justified. Both sides are in agreement that the upper crust needs to be cut off. Ain’t no war but the class war. #eattherich
Literally no. I am talking about one specific country. If you want to talk military, that’s something else, but nothing that I said applies to any other country in that regard. The rest of your comment is predicated off of a catastrophic misunderstanding of what I’ve said. I have little interest in re-explaining myself after I was already pretty clear. Re-read it or leave me alone.
The US is already 50 countries. The states have an incredible amount of power over their citizens. They’ve always been a confederation. States engage in trade wars with each other. California, for example, has used its massive economy to influence interstate trade and declare de facto federal laws on several occasions. We have expiration dates because of New Jersey. Some counties entire economy relies on sales to people from neighboring states where certain goods are banned. Texas, infamously, has its own electrical grid and throws a tantrum about seceding every few decades. Utah is one pair of magic underwear away from being a theocracy.
The states have factions and inter state pacts. The thing you’re missing is that constantly fighting with each other is what keeps them together. The US was never and will likely never be a homogeneous culture, and the people who founded it knew that, and encoded laws in such a way as to use that conflict as a source of opposing-force balance.
No. The US is 50 states that are masquerading as countries. Moreover, I didn’t say that it should split into 50 countries, now did I?
The thing your missing is everything I fucking said.
Everything you said was sophomoric garbage masquerading as informed thought. I gave it far more attention than it was worth, and I’ve given you far greater time than you deserve.
Can we heal though?
The only way the US heals is by splitting up in multiple countries.
The only way the US heals is by splitting up
inmultiple countries.FTFY