Atlanta-area prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia are in possession of text messages and emails directly connecting members of Donald Trump’s legal team to the early January 2021 voting system breach in Coffee County, sources tell CNN.

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    I feel like you have a poor understanding of a lot that you talk about. So let’s just focus on the current politics and if America can heal.

    This issue isn’t a east coast vs west coast thing. This is a rural vs urban issue. That’s reflected in voting in major cities vs rural areas of the same states. For that America isn’t the only place suffering from this issue. It’s why you can see fascism in general on the rise in a lot of countries. The same reason it has always worked, really. It makes life easier to blame someone/anyone else for issues. Which is the lifeblood of fascism.

    It’s not that young people are leaving rural areas because they feel like there’s limited opportunity, but it’s the liberals corrupting them. It’s not that their industry is dying, but people in the cities are attacking them. It’s not that pay is poor and the work is hard so people will look for other jobs, it’s migrants/lazy workers/greedy people wanting more.

    Fascism is able to latch onto these and say we’ll punish the X so that your issues go away, and once they’re gone life will be perfect. Oh X wasn’t the issue, well it’s really Y, and so on. All that’s ever needed is the correct person to stand up saying elect me and I’ll punish the X,Y,Z and it’ll make us better again, but always tends to ignore/help the real issue.

    We need to increase opportunities in the rural areas, there will still be push back but it’ll help the pain of people leaving and industries dying. Need to raise working standards so immigrants aren’t abused, but also may attract other people. That way it can’t be so easy to blame them. And need to fix where wealth is leaving well nearly everyone. A poor town stays poor if most of the goods and services are imported and the people providing them don’t reinvest into the area.

    All of that is still a simplification, but as I said these issues aren’t local to the US. It’s just consuming mostly US news it’s easy to miss other countries struggling with the same issues.

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      The actual ‘rural’ population of the us represents 18% of the population. So the theory that ‘rural vs urban’ is the defining demographic of the political division in this country has a math problem.

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        If it wasn’t for the electoral collage and the house being locked at 435 seats… I think this would be a more compelling argument.

        I live in Ohio, there were 647,284 votes for Joe Biden that were invalidated because there were 713,546 votes for Trump. There are an estimated 12 million people living in Ohio. That’s less than 2 million votes.

        It’s not “rural” vs “urban”, it’s “rural voters” vs “urban voters” plus all the other stuff. If we went off popular vote, we never would’ve had a Trump presidency; Clinton won by almost 3 million votes.

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      I feel like you have a poor understanding of a lot that you talk about.

      No, I understand pretty well.

      This issue isn’t a east coast vs west coast thing. This is a rural vs urban issue.

      I never said that it was an east vs west thing. I used east vs west as one of a couple of examples. The issue is that the country is catastrophically divided between numerous sides who see their point as being ‘right’. In doing so, they are destroying the lives of EVERYONE by constantly pulling the chain. The country is so large that this constant pulling of the chain is fragmenting every state. No one is getting what they want or what they need. Shit I’ve already said and I’m tired of re-explaining myself.

      Rural vs Urban is a problem, and one that needs to be talked about, but it has no place in response to the comment that I’ve made. Your entire point falls flat when other countries have similar issues but to a far less extreme extent. The push and pull of Urban and Rural isn’t what’s causing your country to invade the foreign democracies of others. It isn’t what’s pushing your country to disavow it’s own citizens so heavily that they literally rot away in prisons, eaten by bed bugs. The push and pull of Urban/Rural isn’t what’s allowing gun rights to run on an extremist route where you have one side saying “Please reduce access to guns so my children don’t die” and the other side then responding with increasing the amount of firearms in/near/around schools. The push and pull of Urban/Rural isn’t what’s having one side say “We welcome Immigration” and the other side installing circular saw blades and nets in rivers to saw immigrants in half or for arresting people who dare to give food/water to immigrants.

      I’m not entertaining your nonsense any further.

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        So if you acknowledge that it’s a rural versus urban issue and not a geographic East versus West issue then how does splitting the country up into two or three other countries help?

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          So if you acknowledge that it’s a rural versus urban issue and not a geographic East versus West issue

          I acknowledged that rural/urban was an issue, not the issue. Moreover, I said that East vs West was one of multiple examples I gave. Meaning that North/South/East/West are all a disaster and no one gets along. You know. Like I said.

          Your comment is based on a failed understanding on your part, not an issue of logic on mine.

          Edit: Genuinely can’t stop laughing at you utter fuckwits who somehow can’t understand that there are more directions than east/west and that north/south doesn’t equal rural. But thank you for conclusively proving my point that Americans don’t deserve to have a country lmfao

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            This might be because you are not clearly conveying what you mean. You brought up east vs west and north vs south but didn’t really say in what they don’t understand each other. You should consider taking the hostility down a notch.