Speaking as someone who has worked on plenty of gasoline powered cars… Duh. The most obvious waste product an internal combustion car makes other than the exhaust is the used oil. Have to do something with it. Have to make sure the engine isn’t leaking out into the environment when it’s running.
Even if you are charging your car from a coal plant, it’s more efficient. A coal power plant runs at one speed/output all the time. Gas cars have to throttle up and down. Each gas car has to be maintained by the person owning it, while the power plant has a maintenance team and inspections.
Also to the throttling up and down, the power plant, or even a gasoline generator sitting in the car itself, will always run at peak efficiency. Even a gasoline car sitting on the highway for 4hrs isn’t running at peak efficiency and a lot of that energy is lost in heat through the transmission.
I can tell you that keeping an existing decent ICE is better than buying a new EV. But once you have to buy a new car anyway, and an EV fits your usage pattern and operational environment there are no reasons not to buy one.
Strange that the post didn’t go into the mining/manufacturing side.
Maybe cause its a separate issue? Look, yes it is costly to extract the resources for a battery, but once we have it, we have it for good. Batteries are incredibly recyclable at this point (90%+ recoverable, conservatively), and a new battery can be almost entirely created using previous batteries.
This is in comparison to fossil fuels, which you get to burn exactly once, after which point you have to go extract more. The environmental costs of extracting oil (not even burning it) are well documented.
Where a ICE car requires ongoing environmental devastation, an electric one does not inherently require it. As more of the materials for batteries enters circulation, there’s less need to go extract more, and as grids transition from fossil fuels to renewables the climate impact of charging can be lessened as well.
Of course this isn’t to say that an electric car is the climate endgame. More walkable places, better public transit, better regulation of corporate polluters, etc. are the real meat and potatoes. But saying that EVs are just as bad as ICE cars is just not true.
It’s what those Facebook actually people fall back on so it isn’t a separate issue. It’s the issue being addressed.
I’m aware of everything you said, I just find the article of low value for not being able to use as a retort to the people it claims to refute.
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
We kinda solved cars 15 years ago as an ICE car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one. I’m waiting for my 2008 toyota to retire but it just keeps on going to the point where I think it’ll last me 10 more years. I don’t drive much but it takes e20 as fuel (heavily dilutated gasoline) and with CVT gearbox it’s super cheap to maintain so I really don’t feel like me upgrading to an EV would make any difference other than promote EV infrastructure.
My next car will definitely be an EV though primary because I expect battery tech to be much better by then.
Hey, I did my own research!!!1!1!!
How do you discover new things or form opinions?
How do I wat?
What are opinions?
Yeah, I have only facts, non of those opinions.
MIT Study VS Facebook posts. Hard choice.
Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win
Well the Misinformation Institute of Technology just cannot be trusted. It’s in the name!!
Look at everything the MIT has done for us!
Science back then: after long work we were able to create a vaccine, and we managed to eradicate small pox completely.
Science now: we did a study to prove something on Facebook isn’t true.
To be fair the scientists only invented the vaccine, and modern scientists are inventing plenty of vaccines and medical technologies today, including vaccines for infamously difficult to stop diseases like HIV.
Eradicating smallpox was a feat of international cooperation and administration. If we put in the effort in those areas today we could eliminate measles or polio. Or in the near future we could begin the process of eliminating HIV (it would take a long time because it’s not a death sentence anymore). Now I’m mad we aren’t engaged in a global fight to eliminate HIV the way we did for smallpox.
that college buddy who dropped grad school to become a chiropractor
Gold.
I genuinely thought i misread the title… Wtf
Efficiency of processes is different in every situation, including long-standing ones, like one area having plenty of seawater and some other area having just lots of sand, some places being moderate-temperatured and some like central Siberia with hot summers and cold winters, things like that.
Meaning that one can’t say that gas cars are “better for the planet” or “worse for the planet” than EVs. Period.
This study is true for some set of conditions, but it’s pretty clear that people referring to it will use it outside of the scope.
There are better arguments than unprovable claims. Say, EVs use “universalized” energy, that is, can be charged from the grid, while gas cars require different kinds of gas depending on the specific engine and regulatory requirements. EVs have electric machines in them, pretty similar to those in electric trains or whatever else, but that’s not as important as less wear and more universality. EVs in theory should require less maintenance, but since these are usually new fancy cool things, their electronic components might have the common downsides of all new cars. Fire hazards are different between them. On the other side, gasoline can be stored more easily.
I mean, one would think civilization can exist without choosing just one.
Is this a shitty bot or just a fucking stuned goat. Babling over nothing with no point to it.
That’s a lot of words for “I want to sound clever”
If you listen carefully, you can hear them moving the goal posts from “countering Facebook knowledge” to “must be universally better in every scenario”
Sounds like fingers on a chalkboard
The only “everyone” are trolls, paid or otherwise, the ignorant, and right wingnuts parroting the trolls and ignorant.
And there are a shitload of them who all seem to want to show off that opinion.
Don’t underestimate the ignorant.
Especially their numbers
You reduced it to about 70% of the population.
That does sound like everyone on Facebook
Half my family believes this it’s one of the major reason they don’t switch to EVs despite being believers of climate change.
Pretty insane how well that disinformation works. If you are worried about nickel, mangan and cobalt, just get a car with an LFP battery, which doesn’t need those heavy metals (it is based on lithium and iron phosphate). The only other critical resource in appreciable amounts is neodynium for permanent magnets. We are talking about 1-3 kg per car.
If you think that makes EVs worse for climate or environment than ICE vehicles, think again.
And idiots who spend lots of money on overpriced ice cars to impress their mates
That’s why they are so concerned about the resell value in a years time, because they’re not buying the car they want, only one that is fashionable
What we really should have done is made the Car Talk guys president. If there’s one thing I know for sure, it’s that those two would never have forced me to listen to what some MIT grad thinks.
Absolute gold! (The hosts of Car Talk were both MIT grads)
Let me ask Facebook how credible this study is…
@Grok, is this legit?
Tap for spoiler
/s
Yeah but I heard this one scientist said one time that EVs actually cause more cancers and make trees grow less leaves
The solar panels on my roof that I use to charge my car suck up all the sun and stop my grass growing
Was that a scientist, or scientologist?
Maybe someone with a political science degree?
EVs beat me up and killed my dog.
EVs stole my wife and shot my kids.
EVs turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better?
No, that was a cop.
Trans trees! And bushes! Trans nature!
Is that what you want!?
If only there was a YouTuber that covered this months ago…
Oh wait
Don’t worry, they’ll find something on YouTube that’ll confirm their bias. They won’t watch a 1.5h video though.
I love Alex, literally just watched his fan video, but you can’t act like that one video is all we need on the subject. “There’s already a video on that” doesn’t really help anyone trying to bring awareness to a massive issue
You can’t rationally argue someone out of a position that they didn’t rationally enter in the first place.
When somebody says “You’re wrong, watch this hour long video by a youtuber to find out why”, have you ever watched the videos they linked?
Yes! But I’m definitely an oddball. I also read the terms of serving refuse to use services that have terms I disagree with.
Well here’s a video I didn’t watch about why you’re wrong.
Edit: whoever downvoted this clearly didn’t watch the video or they would agree with everything I think.
Of course you can. It just takes patience.
It’s literally what psychologists do for a living
I like technology connections but no way in hell should you be advocating for people on Facebook to get their facts from youtubers.
More like gaylord_factmaster
