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Mozilla is in a tricky position. It contains both a nonprofit organization dedicated to making the internet a better place for everyone, and a for-profit arm dedicated to, you know, making money. In the best of times, these things feed each other: The company makes great products that advance its goals for the web, and the nonprofit gets to both advocate for a better web and show people what it looks like. But these are not the best of times. Mozilla has spent the last couple of years implementing layoffs and restructuring, attempting to explain how it can fight for privacy and openness when Google pays most of its bills, while trying to find its place in an increasingly frothy AI landscape.
Fun times to be the new Mozilla CEO, right? But when I put all that to Anthony Enzor-DeMeo, the company’s just-announced chief executive, he swears he sees opportunity in all the upheaval. “I think what’s actually needed now is a technology company that people can trust,” Enzor-DeMeo says. “What I’ve seen with AI is an erosion of trust.”
Mozilla is not going to train its own giant LLM anytime soon. But there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. “We’re not incentivized to push one model or the other,” he says. “So we’re going to try to go to market with multiple models.”
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Programs are like socks, once they get dirty, you change them. Do these people really not understand how this stuff works? Even giants can fall when enough people switch to other options
Oh ya? Where u gonna go? Chrome?
Hell no. For now just gonna switch to some firefox fork that won’t include the AI.
Jumping to the dingy tied to the sinking ship.
Thus the “for now”
That was meant as a sarcasm. Point is there are nonalternatives
Can it survive if Firefox goes down?
Ofc No. But waterfax might disable ai by default.
Wouldn’t trust waterfox as far as I could throw a bull elephant.
Librefox or fuck even floorp is better then waterfox.
Why? Just curious
I’m also curious. From what I understand, Waterfox is more secure than Firefox out of the box.
You could always go Safari, at the rate Apple is going with Ai integration you should be good for… well forever really 🤣
Safari is only available on Apple hardware and operating systems though
Ladybird 🤞
Yeah I’ve heard of it but is it even installable?
Ladybird is an open-source web browser developed by the Ladybird Browser Initiative, a nonprofit organization focused on development of the browser.[1] It is licensed under the BSD 2-Clause License.[2] An alpha release is planned in 2026,[3][4] beta release is expected in 2027, and a stable release for general public in 2028.[5] Originally a component of SerenityOS, it is now being developed as a standalone project.[6] The initiative is funded entirely through donations, with Cloudflare, FUTO, Shopify, and 37signals among its sponsors. Ladybird uses a new browser engine called LibWeb that is being created from scratch by the development team. Unlike SerenityOS, it will also use other open source libraries for development.[2] An ad blocking feature is planned.[7] Unlike most new web browsers, Ladybird does not rely on Chromium or Firefox and uses its own rendering engine and JavaScript engine.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladybird_(web_browser)
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. I watched some interview awhile back, but when I went to install it it was not available yet. Ok fine 2026 - will check it out
It’s slated for a early 2026 alpha. So it’s actually pretty close.
So no. The answer is no.
Yeah dude I actually saw primeagen video about it and sort of definitely waiting for it.
i want ublock, dark reader. But willing to tolerate issues - I will use it
There are literally dozens of browser options out there.
Most of which are just chrome in a trench coat.
When clicking Download
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Oops! We weren’t able to find your Azure Front Door Service configuration. If it’s a new configuration that you recently created, it might not be ready yet. You should check again in a few minutes. If the problem persists, please contact Azure support…yeah
Seamonkey is barely maintained.
I use SeaMonkey as my usenet client. I prefer it to anything else for that.
It is great that it still exists.
So file a bug report. The link is literally right there
The point is that it does not inspire confidence when that is the introduction… (You can also file the bug report, or I could, but you are the one championing it)
Indeed, that was my point. I am not sure that Mozilla pays someone to work on it, at this point. It’s likely the passion project of a couple of employees.
Mozilla is completely detached from its user base. They think their average user is a Microsoft enthusiast when in reality it’s a Debian enjoyer.
They have telemetry to track the number of installations on different systems
And most debian user disable telemetry. Their numbers probably show its all windows folk heavily using AI because its the default.
Then enable “Send daily usage ping to Mozilla”
I guess I should turn the telemetry on so they’d see I’m using it on linux. Muh privacy
Yes.
I’m going to have to go Amish at this rate.
Off grid is an easier transition :)
Yah but I like the pies.
Overpaid CEO has more money than actual sense.
They all just do the same exact predictable thing. It’s always the shittiest thing for everyone but the “share holders”. Just automate them away and call it a day at this point.
CEO = bad
every. single. time.
That’s what all CEOs do. Double down on AI.
Why do they keep going all in on AI when no one wants it?
Power users don’t want it.
Regular users say they don’t want it but actions don’t lie. They love AI. They love the slop. They just don’t want to be reminded that that’s what it is.
Google threatens to rip their funding if they don’t advocate for AI
Is that actually on record somewhere, or just speculation?
You either die Old Mozilla or you live to see yourself become Current Mozilla.
AIMOZILLA, brought to you by the GOOGLE foundation, who also owns chrome
AIMOZILLA
Sounds like a kaiju with a sniper rifle.
Of course, this is just what Firefox needs
fixing long standing issues, catching up to web standards, process isolation on mobileAI!But why? Be unique! Don’t just do what everyone else does!
Given what Microsoft is smoking these days, no AI would be a selling point, and Mozilla does not seem to realize they are playing with fire. Their userbase chose their product instead of using the system defaults of Chrome, Safari, and Internet Exploder. Their users, just like Lemmy, are tech-litrrate and more socially concious than the masses. If an alternative or fork appears, with sufficent support, and Mozilla does not put the breaks on their AI train, were all just going to jump ship. We do it every time a new OS is installed, there is no Firefox loyalty, only lesser evils.
It’s hard to imagine being so butthurt at a piece of now-defunct, 20-year-old software that you pretend it still is the default just so you can call it a dumb name.
I was in the trenches for that nonsense fixing stuff daily because of them. Oracles wacky tacky shit that kept their users locked to Java 7.21 for a decade past the support date. Bloated language packs and not being able to keep up with basic HTML tags… You dont know how good yall have it today.
I dont care how much MS dresses up Edge, we know its just Chrome in a poorly fitted suit. The old addage still holds true, Microsofts default browser (formerly IE, currently Edge) is the best browser to use to go download another browser.
[This concludes grumpy old tech speech]
I can absolutely get behind hating oracle. Not only was oracle always evil, they also prop java which is terrible. And now the family has gotten into MAGA propaganda. It’s an awful family and company and product.
IE hasn’t been a thing for like a decade though. The war is over. You won. You’re safe now.
I disagree with your description of edge though. It’s more like the evil version of inspector gadget. Like if he was corrupted by the oracle corporation and every gadget was turned nefarious. This kinda breaks down because chrome is also evil but whatever I still think it works.
I like that reference, im stealing it.
Can it be disabled?
Yes. But we will have to see whether it’s opt-in or opt-out. This can make quite a significant difference.
And how much you tryst them
I do as long as it stays open source.
Firefox doesn’t really need to make money so long as Google has to worry about being broken up by the Fed for antitrust reasons… Obviously so long as there is a national socialist/Trump regime in place that’s not really something they have to worry about. Why, Goog even donated $5m to Trump’s little Whitehouse evisceration/ballroom project, and will get their very own plaque in the ballroom that all the ballpeople can look at.
Google has donated over $USD 1B to Mozilla. The standard conspiracy fud is so that it can sink its claws into its open source competition, corrupting it with its omniscient googliness, but FIrefox barely blips on the radar of browser use, not even including Tor, Waterfox, Librewolf (which I’m currently using), and other forks. It’s just not going to threaten any of the megas any time soon.
The actual motive for giving Mozilla so much money is simply to deflect any accusations that they’re a monopoly that hurts market competition.
Who is this a signal for though? They could silently add the AI features and rally their base on aspects people actually like. It’s almost like Firefox doesn’t want to succeed
CEOs have this massive psychosis, they really believe everyone wants this bullshit. I have a theory that it’s because they were always surrounded by yesmen, and simultaneously they hate people, so for them the LLM is the best thing ever, all the constant agreeing and affirmation with no pesky humanity, and they can’t believe there is anyone who don’t want that.
I used to use it exclusively, but it slowly got bloated, so when I got rid of windows, I went to tor browser and librewolf.
I was hopeful for thundermail.
Not any more, seeing that.
