The disapproval of Elon Musk is the top reason Tesla Model 3 owners are selling their electric vehicles and going for another brand, according to a new survey of 5,000 Model 3 owners.
its funny how selling a car brand as “eco” friendly backfires when you’re a fascist cunt
It blows my mind that Elon would still be well-regarded as a visionary entrepreneur, accurately or not, if he had just kept his stupid fucking mouth shut.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt
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Your generalizations about US consumers has no basis in reality. You really think people would buy these mass-market products if they weren’t good? Just look at the consumer satisfaction surveys. I’m far from a Tesla fan, but for a long time, there weren’t truly good competitors to Tesla EVs. iphones have always and continue to be some of the most highly rated phones on the market.
And what is wrong with voting with your wallet and choosing not to support the business of a terrible person? That’s about the only power you have as a consumer, so people should exercise that power if they see fit.
Both the iPhone and Tesla perform well. You made some valid points, but went off the rails at the end. Yes, the image of the product influences people’s buying decisions. That’s basic marketing knowledge. But they’re also good products.
They buy things based on how they will be perceived for owning it.
The article says they don’t want Tesla’s because of the guy running the company, not because of their perception for owning it.
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Tesla never really had a brand besides being “Elon Musk’s electric car company”, and now as it turns out it’s way easier for car companies to add tech into their cars than for a tech company to learn to build good cars.
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make the whole brand about me as a person
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act like an insufferable prick
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profit!
All Elon had to do was stick to the rockets and cars!
But no, he has to go pick fights with random people online and espouse stupid talking points. It’s like a masterclass in killing your personal brand.
I was off the Musk bandwagon when he called that rescuer in SE Asia a pedophile for not wanting to use his stupid submarine. Cancelled my cybertruck preorder.
You’ve pinpointed the exact moment I became disillusioned!
Pleased to see this meme format returning
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I think it’s more about how those types of buyers view the manufacturers reliability long term. The man is unhinged and has proven with Twitter that if given the chance he will willingly fuck over users. Imagine giving a bully the ability to limit your driving range or disabling your vehicle on a whim because he decides he doesn’t like you or what your local govt says.
Not saying he would do it but he has proven repeatedly to be unstable enough to believe he could escape punishment for doing it.
Imagine giving a bully the ability to limit your driving range or disabling your vehicle on a whim because he decides he doesn’t like you
He cancelled a reporter’s Tesla Model X pre-order because he criticized Tesla on late deliveries on pre-orders.
Really emphasizes how vital “right to repair” is. If a Tesla didn’t have proprietary software and centralized control over its cars it wouldn’t matter how irrational Musk was. But Tesla owners have to trust Tesla to maintain both the hardware and software in their cars, which means buying a Tesla is a long-term commited relationship with that company. And same with Ford, GMC, every car company whose software is a black box - if you can’t repair your own vehicle, you have to trust the management of the car company won’t screw you over for fun and profit.
I really need to get into car hacking
I read that someone had upgraded their P60 to a P90 by getting a new battery, all official and from Tesla and months later they updated his firmware and locked out the extra 30Kwh because it wasn’t the stock battery.
It’s shit like that that keeps me from owning anything Elon related.
Apple enters the chat
I aspired to own a Tesla before musk started showing his colours now I would find it embarrassing
Same, but after seeing the quality of everything else besides the software, no thanks. The electronics and infotainment seem to be the only thing they made well. Put that in a Honda or Toyota and I’d be happy.
They must have fixed the infotainment then, because I remember a video from electroBOOM showing it was glitchy and unresponsive
I’ve driven a few over the last year and haven’t personally had any issues at all with it specifically
Yeah, I remember I had a point in time where a Tesla would have been my dream car. But now, lol, naaaawwww.
I used to want a Tesla… Now I don’t. That’s 60% Elon and 40% their poor build quality.
The second percentage should be higher. It’s not, though. Elon is a very hateable person due to his low IQ, and astronomically high level of arrogance.
I honestly couldn’t understand how people had any praise for him in years past. He always came across as (yet another) embarrassing forever teenager, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and little sympathy for or understanding of others.
This is in vast contrast to Bill Gates who (despite my loathing of Microsoft’s business practices, especially in the 90’s and early 00’s) continued to grow and earned some respect with his philanthropic endeavours and just generally acting like an educated adult.
Still, I’d rather have fewer rich jetsetters and more competent Governments and international institutions, effectively working to better mankind.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt, although there was certainly doubt, until the “pedo guy” thing. Then I realized he was just a manchild. And, of course, he used his high-priced lawyers to get out of that obvious slander in court.
Same for me. Was saving for a Tesla, but now I’ll go with a different brand. For me, it’s 75% Elon and 25% that I’m just starting to prefer what other EV makers are putting on the market.
Its just been few months if not years , that elon had an image of real life iron man and what not ! 😂
Well, that’s not actually true for everyone. I’ve been talking about this guy being a douchebag for years. I have a relative that told me three years ago that I was just jealous of his success.
I really want to talk to that guy again now… Maybe the next reunion, haha.
As much as I hate Elon, the poor quality would be like 90% reason. I prefer being alive more than I hate Elon by a huge margin.
Oh no, they’re very safe. You just might not be able to open your trunk or roll down windows for eight months until the dealership 200 miles away can attempt to look at the problem, fix the trunk, and somehow break the passenger door in the process.
From what I hear the cars like to burn a lot. And I myself am not a fan of being burned alive. YMMV.
Your post does not contain enough edgy for him to read or notice it. Have you considered what Neo would say in the Matrix?
I will probably buy an EV in the next year but I have zero interest in a Tesla. Musk is the reason.
Yeah I think this is a bigger risk for Tesla than current owners selling.
I’m not in the market for a car right now but there’s a decent chance that the next one I buy will be an EV. Up until maybe 2 years ago I’d have said a Tesla would have been top of the list for options. I don’t really feel that way anymore, and Musks instability is the primary reason.
I think his antics will have a snowball effect on future sales.
Teslas just don’t drive better than any other EV. Yes, the first time i got in a tesla i was floored, but it was also the first time i ever sat in any EV. After seeing a handful of other EVs, i now realize tesla isn’t anything special at all, all the EVs have that smooth electric motor feel.
They’re going to be a medium sized car maker, like mercedes or bmw. They have no chance at selling more cars than toyota or gm to justify the insane market cap.
For as shitty as tesla as a whole are:
The REALLY old OG teslas (maybe even pre-“Roadster”?) were genuinely insane to drive. Their acceleration was through the roof (since you pretty much have near instantaneous acceleration with electric motors… sort of) and there was little software to balance that out. My uncle had one and it was frigging amazing.
But after the first couple versions (and probably fatalities?) that got toned the hell down and the goal became to mimic driving an ICE. So now you just have a shitty quality car that drives like any other one. Sure it is quieter (unless your frame makes noise at speed) and has slightly higher acceleration, but it is “not that different” by design.
Let me add the fact quality control/build quality is absolutely awful to your list
I’m going to wait and see if Toyota’s alleged 1450km/900mi solid state battery is real. It is rare for Toyota to tell the public what they’re working on until it’s ready to roll. This could be a ploy to lower sales of competitors, but if Toyota isn’t telling the truth, it will bite them. I’d love a small EV with that kind of insane range and the ability to use autonomous driving on interstates
The only car that has kind of real automation for interstates is the Mercedes EQS/S Class, as far as i know. I would think it will take some years until the tech gets into smaller vehicles. And it also seems very expensive to get this certification for Level 3, so i would assume it will be 5-8 years before we get this in smaller vehicles.
Decades of traditional automakers sabotaging the whole concept of EVs should make them the bad guys when it comes to EVs.
Elon has managed to make them the good guys.
If I already had a Tesla I don’t know that I’d sell it because of him, but he was one of the major factors in me not even considering them when I was shopping for my EV. The other reasons being shoddy quality control, shitty practices, and dumb design decisions. All of which probably stem from him anyway.
Same. I had to get a new car recently. Prices were crazy and I wish I had gone with a new instead of a used. But Tesla was off the list from the beginning. I figured I’d wait one more car to get electric. Should be in a new place by then where I can install a home charger too, and the prices will probably be drastically lower by the time my current car dies again.
teslas were cool when they were the only practical electric cars, especially sports cars. but that’s no longer true and it’s becoming less so every year. may as well get a mach-e or a ioniq and ditch muskyboy
Leased a tesla MS in 2017 because I knew 250mile battery was not going to be the max in 2020 and guessed 350mile was possible (i was right). Right around then Elon came out as a conspiracy twat, so I was more than happy to turn my car in when he went full right wing twat.
3 years on, I’m the proud owner of an ebike with a few thousand miles on it, created by a company not owned by a twat. My insurance is $50 a month and my uber rides fall far below anything I spent monthly on my insurance and lease payment ($1300 or so). Helps to work from home and live 5 miles from most places I need to go to or from the public transit.
Honestly, had he kept his insane ideas to himself I might still own that car or it’s newer version. I do miss it, but I just can’t support people like that. Also, 3 years on I don’t miss the car payments…
… What kind of ebike do you recommend?
Really happy with the Rad Power Plus series. reasonably priced, 1000 miles and counting on the motor and battery. They seem to be getting a little hate of late for their customer service, but I have a local shop so I don’t see these issues.
This is the way! If you really care about the environment!
Also shout-out to NotJustBikes on YouTube.
Awesome that you’ve switched to cycling, it’s crazy how expensive your insurance is though!
I just got a quote for my ebike, it’s only £60/year!
In the UK plenty of cars cost less than £300/year to insure…
Yeah, Europe and UK seem to be cheaper for those things. While I was in Rome I paid €40 for the year, but stayed 2 months. At one time we could get insurance for our petrol car at $59 a month with minimal coverage, now it’s twice that.
That $50 is not all for the bike, I added supplemental coverage to pay for US healthcare in the event of an accident. I have full theft and damage, plus a balloon policy that pays out for medical, accidental death (for2 people). I think it was $120 for just the year on just e-bike, but an accident could cause my heath insurance to not cover due to it being a vehicle in motion accident.
Funny but when I see a Tesla, I now judge the owner. Never used to care one way or another but.
Yep, I just think “pretentious wanker” whenever I see one.
I bought my Model 3 Performance in 2021 because it ticked the boxes: fast, electric, and simple. After driving one for two years, I would probably still buy one again, but the association with Musk is a strong negative for sure…
“pretentious wanker”
“electric Beemer”
They quickly took the crown of biggest douche on the road from the BMW drivers.
Really? I always did. Tesla drivers are worse than truck drivers on the road. They always do something stupid.
They’re better than Prius drivers, going 35 mph on the freeway and accelerating from a stoplight slower than the bicycle next to them.
The latest prius redesign has 190+ hp, so that might change in the future.
I know a couple of Prius drivers. They drive like that intentionally, trying to eek out every possible MPG stat. It’s like a game to them. But they don’t seem to be aware of how much they impede the flow of traffic.
Ngl, I wouldn’t be caught dead with a Tesla these days.
As someone who wanted a Tesla for years I agree. But idk what other electric car I would get
My father in law is someone who has a long history of driving luxury cars. He recently (a couple years ago) switched to a Chevy Volt as his primary vehicle and loves it.
I know someone with a Chevy spark. They seem to really love it. I was looking at the F150 lightning but it’s way out of my price range.
The Chevy Volt is a great car.
Chevy volt… Not spark? Lol Oops.
They probably have a Spark too. They also have a Bolt. But I was just offering up another electric car they have that I know is good. The Volt is a great car.
Rivian R1S for a high quality luxury vehicle!
Most of the large manufacturers make at least one. The less expensive ones tend to just be gas cars with electric motors swapped in. Cars that were designed to be electric generally have less compromise and more refinement. If I got an electric car today it would be an egolf, the range isn’t the best but that’s the only downside I’ve really seen.
Mustang Mach-E. Ford is seeing what Tesla is doing and copying the good bits, doing constant over the air updates, keeping quality good (not perfect, mind you) and the car itself is absolutely gorgeous. Blue cruise is not bad, expensive though now. You will probably have a shitty dealer experience but dealers are shitty. Ford really wants to do away with them and is trying to figure out how, last I heard.
If you want cheaper the Bolt EV or EUV. The pricing on the Bolt is good, and you wouldn’t be going wrong by getting the current version. Chevy was going to ax the Bolt but instead they are redesigning the battery for a new edition. Everyone thinks its going to be just the EUV going forward since the EUV is like 4 inches bigger and most of it is the same. Chevy is going to put in a better battery that has faster charging times as well, if the rumors are true.
So you can’t go wrong with either of those two. The main thing is that car companies are turning into (and have been for a while even prior to EVs) software companies. You have to go with who you think will do the best overall with good and bad and then pair it with the EV that suits you.
That being said despite how much I love the looks of the IONIQ 5 and the EV6, Kia and Hyundai have some work to do. VW is safe. They are Electrify America after all, for what good that is.
I think most of the traditional manufacturers have pretty decent offerings now. Prices are still a bit high compared to the equivalent petrol car, but that’s only a matter of time given all the bans coming
Hyundai and Kia have some great models
I’m holding out for the Jeep Recon.
If you’re in the US:
On the lower end, try Volkswagen, Chevy and Ford. For higher end, check bmw, audi, and volvo.
Honda and Toyota are doing amazing at hybrids and plug in hybrids, but are behind on EVs. Hyundai, Kia, and Nissan in the US have bad build quality imo and their vehicles depreciate quickly.
Oh don’t worry, you can still be caught dead next to one, if one happens to pull up beside you and happens to explode… 👍
What? They don’t explode. Worst case they burn.
Did you know that I there are 100k cars on fire in the US annually?
Also, apparently you’ve never worked in the electronics field…
https://piped.video/watch?v=K5vDWhMHTwE
https://piped.video/watch?v=8nz5ijXcckI
Guess what homie, lithium batteries are friggin’ super dangerous!
Are you kidding me? You get even one of them wet from flood waters (guess what, nature happens, and sea levels are apparently rising…), they absolutely do explode in all holy hellfire!
You do realize any water compromised Tesla has to be parked like 50 feet away from any other vehicles or structures?
Gasoline isn’t even nearly as dangerous as a compromised lithium battery pack.
That’s not an explosion, it caught fire
Meanwhile, those of us that repair electronics for a living know better…
https://piped.video/watch?v=D3GDdZkN6fg
Please for the love of God folks, quit talking out of your asses, do your homework, and learn the very real dangers of lithium batteries.
This is new, at the dealership yo…
https://piped.video/watch?v=wDjfKhjP3hw
People really need to quit with the denial factor, lithium batteries are extremely dangerous!
As of recently, in Arizona, the pavement temperatures have exceeded 80⁰ Celsius. Lithium batteries aren’t safe over 40⁰ Celsius. Where do EV cars place their batteries? Under the car, right over the super-hot road…
Please don’t sit here and tell me these things are safe, when some of the roads they drive over are literally twice as hot as the rated safe temperature.
It’s still not an explosion bro, it’s a fire. Yes that sucks and I hope it gets better but ICE engines are not safer.
Or the self-driving system decides it doesn’t like you…
As long as you don’t post anything that musk disagrees with on x / twatter you should be safe.
I’m 99% sure the X is just a tipped over t. We should probably start calling it xwixxer.
Since the seeing ordeal someone went through here in Canada and his Telsa, I wouldn’t own one if given to me.
Water condensation dripping from the AC compressor on top of the batteries is just bad design and lack of foresight.
Transport Canada said that was awful and the reason for his faulty battery/batteries and Teslsa still said, nah you on your own.
Forget that noise.
I love my Tesla, but I don’t think my next car will be one because of Musk and what he’s done to the brand. Really disappointing that he’s put the same people who’ve coal rolled and iced chargers instead of his loyal, reservation making, early adopting FSD clients like me. I’m watching the expanding market with excitement as other companies are rolling out vehicles with nicer features and comparable pricetags than current Teslas.
This is as close as it comes to my opinion on the subject.
I have an S. 7 years, 80k miles. I like the car, I really do. Even after all this time. I still get free supercharging, which is great when I travel out of the area, which I do not infrequently.
I’m not embarrassed by it, despite Elon’s dive into Coco Puffs Crazyland. When I got it, there was nothing else like it on the market.
Selling it now would be like buying a case of Bud just so I could shoot at it. Or burning my Nikes out of spite. I paid good money and it was worth every cent.
With that being said, between Elon’s dementia and all the complaints I hear about build quality in the other mods, my next car, whenever I go buy it, won’t be a Tesla. There’s competition now and they are catching up fast…and I don’t think the Cybertruck is going to save them.
For Tesla, it’s a bad time for the cult of personality to fall apart as more electric car competition comes out every year.
The guy actually never had a good personality even. They had to train him for TV evening shows to even make it work…
Those NIO cars are lookin’ quite nice
My partner needed to buy a new vehicle. A Tesla Model was easily in budget. But they opted not to buy one because they want zero affiliation with Musk or any connotations that they may endorse his behavior by owning one of his products.
FWIW, they’re also terribly made cars that keep poorly.
Anecdotally I have to disagree.
I really enjoy our Model 3 and Model Y. After renting an ID.4 for a week in Norway I find that the Tesla setup is a lot more “no nonsense” than other OEMs.
For example the ID.4 has many “safety” features that help center the car in the land if it detects that you are leaving the road. In Norway that have very narrow roads and you often have to pull over to the shoulder (far past the lane edge) to let a car pass.
To turn those settings off in an ID.4 I had to dig through a menu and disable them every time I get into the car. Every. Time.
Tesla’s UI experience is much more like a smart phone with persistence like one would expect. Like or hate the form factor, the infotainment on Tesla’s are done about as well as you can with a giant touch screen in my opinion.
I really fucking loath Musk these days though and wish he would be ousted from Tesla.
Not really fair to compare the ID.4 against your Teslas. The Audi Etron on the other hand has a far superior infotainment system compared to the Tesla and none of the issues from the base model VW.
I’m not accusing of intentionally comparing apples to oranges, but given the price brackets you made a really terrible argument.
The price brackets seem the same to me. Our Model 3’s config is actually cheaper than it’s similar ID.4 spec, where as an etron is like $30k MORE.
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Same experiences here since 2018.
Musk is a fuckwad but he’s not hand building the cars, these comments reek of children and ignorance.
I hear a range of issues with Teslas that mostly come down to shoddy manufacture.
Either way all cars are bad, EV or no, and only collective transport solves any of our problems. Short term, buying a used gas vehicle is still less harmful to the environment.
Oh no doubt that was also a big factor, but even if they were well built high quality cars, it would still be a non-starter as long as Elno has anything to do with the company.
