• QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works
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      I just feel like maybe this is conflating lonely men with misogynists, which obviously are not mutually exclusive, but there are plenty of lonely males that aren’t hateful

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        23 hours ago

        It could be, but I imagine that a lot of nice lonely guys are suffering the consequences of the assholes that embody the first three steps.

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          23 hours ago

          Maybe that’s where I’m misunderstanding the meme or I’m being unfairly reactionary—because I agree with your sentiment and I agree that it is absolutely an epidemic that’s damaging society and hurting people in extremely far reaching ways

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            Yeah, it is harming humanity in many many more ways than a bunch of single people’s relationship status.

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          See that just sounds like you’re conflating again. Yeah I think it’s mostly self inflicted by shitty people, but there’s a lot of people who have difficulty making friends and reaching out to others because of social anxiety and other mental and emotional health issues that don’t agree with incel rhetoric

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              Yeah you can can show me that but that doesn’t make any change to the fact that not all people are the same. Can you not conceptualize multiple people with seemingly similar issues are not exactly the same? Do you honestly believe there are no lonely men who aren’t hateful?

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                You’re very good at overlooking misogyny.

                From a humanist perspective, of course all people get lonely and almost all of them deserve support. From a realist perspective, young men today have been spoon fed hate by the likes of Tate to the point that they can’t even express sadness without bashing women.

                I swing between feeling empathy for these misguided men and feeling cynical anger towards them for the damage they’ve done to society re: the rise of the brocaster manosphere and their support of Trump, fascism, and hating on women and LGBTQ+.

                Keep apologizing for them tho. It’s cute 🥰

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                  You are 100% correct. It’s deeply concerning that we can not discuss this huge societal red herring on social media without being mobbed on with downvotes and comment removals

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                  I even said you’re right that there are plenty of of shitty misogynists out there? Like again conflation. Like if you have to disregard what people say to prove your point then you aren’t really proving your point. If you can’t engage with dissenting views in a good faith way then what is the point of replying at all? And once again I agree that there are plenty of young men that express hatred and vileness through their own despair, I agree about the manosphere and about the issues they’ve caused. Believe it or not we’re on the same side. Like I believe you when you say you’re capable of feeling empathy, but I’m not telling you to be empathic to hateful people, just to refrain from making assumptions about people—Which you almost seem to do before devolving a hateful homogenization of individuals again. Like do you assume all lonely people are hateful and prejudicial or just men specifically? Does this also encompass people with depression?

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      16 hours ago

      Last panel represents minority of single men. This meme is a generalization.