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Lol this group is like “doesn’t matter” all of a sudden.
Wish I had the energy to go back to the old threads and reply to all the “IDF is lying” comments.
I guess you would have a point if Israel didn’t routinely bomb civilians and didn’t routinely lie about it.
They don’t routinely lie about it. They pre-drop little fliers that say “we’re about to bomb here; if you don’t want to die you better leave” and then they come back in a couple of days or weeks and bomb. What on Earth would they lie about? “Wow, a bomb went off right where we dropped leaflets saying it would, but it definitely wasn’t us.”
The only bombing they actually did lie about is this one, where Hamas beefed a rocket launch and struck one of their own hospitals and Israel said “yeah, we were active in the zone” before anyone knew it wasn’t an Israeli weapon.
They pre-drop little fliers that say “we’re about to bomb here; if you don’t want to die you better leave” and then they come back in a couple of days or weeks and bomb.
They used to do that. They aren’t in this war.
No, they’re still doing it. The flyers have been on social media, even.
Now that Israel just openly declares it is bombing and invading hospitals, the fog of war bullshit really doesn’t matter anymore.
Maybe this one hospital strike was a rocket. What about all the other ones?
Yeah, so maybe you’re right, maybe I did steal money from your purse, push grandma down the stairs when she got in my way, left the milk out over night, shit in Dad’s shoes while high on meth, smoked crack in the alley, slapped all my cousins alphabetically, poured cocaine on the dog, but I swear, I didn’t smoke crack in my bedroom and I don’t like being accused of things I didn’t do!
My understanding is this lie was used by Hamas to isolate Israel from Arab nations where much of the public was frankly horrified by the brutal violence Hamas had aimed specifically at civilians. So no, it wasn’t just “the one relatively inconsequential thing,” it is a lie that has had serious consequences.
It’s also a large part of why people believe everything Hamas says (e.g. death tolls) while also refusing to believe anything Israel says.
The reason people believe Gazan death tolls is that they’re found to be reliable by almost every organization working in the region. And the reason most people refuse to believe what Israel says without confirmation is because they’ve been caught lying on multiple occasions, many times going as far as fabricating evidence (remember the Al-Shifa calendar)?
They’re “found reliable”, but not actually checked. Like, nobody actually checks Hamas’ numbers; they just “confirm” them.
Confirming numbers comes from actually checking them.
Pedanticism isn’t a good look.
They don’t, though. Check. They can’t. No independent body can operate freely in Gaza, it’s under Hamas control. They know that Hamas can rescind whatever meager access they have, and so they figure that humanitarian purpose is better satisfied by preserving access by not angering Hamas.
But they don’t have access to strike sites, they don’t have access to morgues. Islam requires the dead be buried by nightfall, so there’s simply no opportunity for independent observers to actually verify body counts. They’re just demographically “verified” - “oh, we know about that many people lived in the apartment block, so X is a plausible figure for deaths.” But that’s not confirmation.
Considering the fact that Israel is now bombing and invading every hospital, what difference does it make?
If this was a lie then it was only a lie by a few weeks. Israel has fulfilled every accusation that Hamas has made.
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The truth matters for the historical record, but it wasn’t a lie like the other poster said; it was at worst a false conclusion. Instead of treating this like a reasonable mistake, though, they’re cooking up conspiracy theories to assign malicious intent to what is pretty clearly just a result of the fog of war.
If it was a mistake. I’m reserving judgement until there’s an actual forensic investigation and a truth-and-reconcilliation commission for Israel’s crimes.
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People do not need excuses to accuse something of being fake news. Also, there really weren’t a lot of reporters that actually reported this as an Israeli airstrike - they mostly just reported about the claims that were being made of an Israeli airstrike, but tried to stay neutral.
Though yes, some jumped to conclusions. Reasonable conclusions in my opinion, but that’s bad reporting.
But if truth matters, then we shouldn’t react to bad reporting with wild and speculative claims about people lying to make Israel look bad.
All the other ones were literally illegally used by Hamas as bases of combat operations and storage of their weapons. Heroes don’t hide behind injured vulnerable people in hospitals or behind children in their schools. Hamas deserves to be destroyed.
All the other ones were literally illegally used by Hamas as bases of combat operations and storage of their weapons.
According to Israel, the one doing the war crimes. 🙄
Ignoring any conclusions you have made from Palestinian reporters, what war crimes have Israel committed?
Bombing UN sponsored shelters for refugees
Bruh the UNHRC literally condemned Israel for committing warcrimes.
So, ignoring the only people on the ground telling us what is happening?
Okay, so Israel has openly admitted to the crime of collective punishment through the blockade and indiscriminate bombing by claiming that anyone who voted for Hamas is a legitimate military target. Bombing hospitals, something else they now admit to, is a crime even if they are mixed military/civilian targets; a claim that Israel has still not proven, by the way. They’ve also made their motives very clear about forcing the population of Gaza into Egypt, though they claim this is merciful and humanitarian it is still ethnic cleansing and fits the crime of genocide.
These are war crimes that Israel is telling the world it is committing that do not require us to rely on reporting from Palestinian journalists.
Regardless of whether you think it’s justifiable or not to bomb buildings with both militants and civilians, it’s not a war crime.
But beyond that, you’re claiming Palestine isn’t doing war crimes‽
Israel claims these buildings are being used by both militants and civilians.
HRW may very well be right here, but if the only investigation the police does after a homicide is talk to some witnesses… but you know, never actually check for fingerprints, or in this case… analyze fragments from the rocket, then I’m not going to go all in and say that they’ve done much of a report. How convenient that people act like this is all the proof they need without even reading what they actually examined.
Hamas dick riders in here should all be on terrorist watch lists with Hamas. Why do your heroes kidnap and hold 4 year old girls and mothers as hostages? Is that how good guys are supposed to act?
They are fucking terrorists and you supporting them by spreading their propaganda makes you complicit.
I hope Israel kills every single last one of those Hamas cowards who are shooting rockets from inside hospitals.
Using children and human shields are the conduct of cowards who deserve to die.
Neither side is ‘good’ or remotely acts like it in this conflict/war. The only good guys around are the medics & doctors trying to keep people from dying, volunteers trying to keep people from dying of lack of food/water/warmth; and of course all the innocent civilians who are caught up in this clusterfuck.
The only good guys around are the medics & doctors trying to keep people from dying
Naw, these people are bad too, it turns out. These people are willing to lie to everyone to preserve their access to Gaza and the flow of UN aid.
Got any verifiable proof of that?
Yup, some new interrogation tapes are out and also pictures of medical IDs found on terrorists. You should be able to find them with a few clicks.
whose tapes? why can you not just post direct links?
And that’s bad because? Even assuming that’s true, the fact that they need to lie to get aid into Gaza is the problem.
I think it’s bad when people who claim neutrality in a conflict are actually aiding one side of the conflict, and lying about it. Israel would be justified, in this situation, in treating them as spies.
Spies against a brutal genocidal occupier are good guys in my book.
Spies on the side of the guys who rape 13-year-old girls with knives aren’t the “good guys” in any fucking universe.
Setting aside the veracity of that accusation, medical personnel can only be interpreted as on the side of civilians. It just happens that the interests of civilians (not dying) happen to go against the interests of Israel (killing civilians and taking their lands).
The only good guys around are the medics & doctors trying to keep people from dying
Then why aren’t they demanding Hamas GTFO of their hospitals and schools? You’re so close.
How do you know they’re not? They aren’t the military and would have no way to actually do anything about it.
Yeah, I wonder why they don’t demand that the GUYS WITH THE WEAPONS get the fuck out or else.
And I’m not saying whether the population agrees or not with Hamas, I’m just saying that “GTFO” is not an option.
Who the hell cares, Israel has killed a whole lot more innocent people, including thousands of fucking children. The Israeli government is a bunch of genociders.
People seemed to care a lot when they thought it was Israel’s fault.
It was justified to think it was Israel, because they bombed that exact hospital before, and many others. And it’s still a terrible thing because people died. But let’s remember that this single event is a small compared to the rest of the genocide Israel is doing to Palestinians.
It was justified to think it was Israel, because they bombed that exact hospital before, and many others.
Source?
3 days before: https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury
By October 12th, they had hit multiple ambulances and health facilities: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/12/war-crime-gaza-medics-say-israel-targeting-ambulances-health-facilities
The Archbishop has called for Israel’s evacuation order on Gaza’s hospitals to be reversed. His call comes as an Anglican-run hospital in Gaza was struck by Israeli rocket fire last night.
That Anglican-run hospital is the one from the OP btw.
Yeah, what’s your point?
It wasn’t struck by Israelis.
Don’t you bother to ask what happened to 1000 misfired rockets from Gaza?
(1200 something confirmed misfires from IDF, and almost 800 something from a twitch streaming bots that were scraping al Jazeera cams etc, some independent new reports on these too). Let’s just say 200 rockets, don’t you wonder where they landed and what happened?
And the amount of rockets fired by anyone in Gaza is nothing compared to the sheer destruction Israel does.
No, I’m not talking about missiles from Gaza to Israel. I’m talking about Hamas missiles that fell in Gaza. Recently they have reached over 10k launches towards Israel, doesn’t that make you curious to know how much destruction they caused themselves?
Israel’s Iron Dome takes care of the vast majority of Hamas rockets, as almost every report out of Israel can verify.
I know, it’s pretty badass to see it live… My question was about misfired Hamas rockets that fell into Gaza. And how much destruction did that cause.
Because the truth and facts matter when discussing moral responsibility. It doesn’t absolve Israel of other acts of war harming civilians. But this matters when discussing Hamas’s responsibility over the death of Gaza civilians.
You will all nitpick minor details and put those who are oppressed (the Palestinians) over hot fiery coals for being potentially wrong whilst never laying a single ounce of doubt or blame on Israel, the ones conducting a god damn ethnic cleansing. I’m sorry I don’t really care about arguing over this one specific instance of horror, (that which I never personally said was Israels fault by the way) when there are many thousands upon thousands of other instances that Israel boasts about murdering innocent people.
Nitpick all you want, but all of you are just pathetic if this is the tiny sad ant hill you die on while real people die.
0.5% is a terrible genocide.
I’m sorry, do we have to wait for them to finish? We know their intentions, Israeli officials say it plainly, that they want to remove them all, make it uninhabitable where they live. That is the act of genocide, you piece of garbage.
We know their intentions, Israeli officials say it plainly
I thought they only lied though. I guess you can always pick and choose which parts you believe.
They do lie, they lie all the time. Yet when they talk about their bloodthirst for genocide, dumb motherfuckers like you say, “oh haha that’s so funny they’re just kidding!” Y’all stupid shits of course only believe lies. Talk about picking and fuckin choosing, my god you hypocrite.
1 in 200 people. Yeah it definitely is.
Well, according to al jazeera they dropped 6000 bombs - 4000 tonnes - from Oct 7 - Oct 12.
As of 2nd Nov the number was 25000 tonnes. Let’s say that’s 25000 bombs.
Pretty terrible death rate for that number considering the options available.
This motherfucker wants more innocent people killed, wow. Genocider.
dumbest thing i’ve read today
