I had to check if this article was from The Onion
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The drunk uncles are giving statements again.
Can’t believe he figured it out. What a shame. Guess we’ll have to go provoke another country to invade our fellow flourishing independent democracies, who play a key role in the world’s trade.
Seriously though, I hope he’s just giving himself an easy out here. There’s always too much war going on.
I thought Taiwan was China? Hard to invade yourself, eh, Xi?
To be honest, it’s almost certainly reworded or poorly translated from whatever he originally said.
Assuming this conversation even happened.
They sure are a contentious bunch.
Why are you defending the rump state of a fascist dictatorship?
I hope the “Republic of China” can someday be peacefully dissolved and the province of Taipei reunited under the mainland government.
Ugh, of course it was Blackburn
lifetime bitch
‘Renegade breakaway province’
Uh … Yeah you got us… All a trick, darn guess our dastardly plan failed and you won’t invade Taiwan now
Taiwan has a right to defend itself if it chooses to.
With US troops?
Ukraine has a right to defend itself, but US troops are not deployed in Ukraine.
I’m talking about Taiwan, but Ukrainians are defending themselves with American weapons, intelligence and training.
I believe it was released that there are 14 special force members in Ukraine as well.
The Green Berets are the army’s spec ops that focus on training foreign fighters, specially chosen for things like foreign language proficiency. They’re not Rangers or general light infantry. Ideally they’re not really supposed to get into direct combat, as they’re rather time consuming and difficult to replace.
I would bet a whole bunch of money that we actually do have Green Berets present in Ukraine as well, though the only people that would know that for sure would be the US govt, the Ukrainians and probably Russian intelligence.
If the 101st Airborne gets deployed to Taiwan, then I’d be worried.
Green Berets are just as worrying. It means US is training locals, preparing for yet another proxy war or brutal crackdown on any real or potential opposition against place being subjugated to US empire.
If they didn’t want them, they could just ask them to leave. If the leader disagreed, the people could vote for a different leader.
How’d that work out for Australia and Gough Whitlam trying to close Pine Gap?
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It doesn’t. The vast majority of countries recognize the PRC having sovereignty over Taiwan, as does the UN. There is no right to separatism or anything like that. Rather the PRC has the right to enforce their sovereignty. The US btw has no right to send to troops into China, that’s an act of war.
Is the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party the same person as the President of Taiwan, then?
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If you are talking about the President of Taiwan, are you comparing a role that’s existed since 1 January 1912 (25 October 1945 in its current form) to one that existed 18 February 1861 – 5 May 1865 and had exactly one officeholder?
They are. And they’re comparing glorious revolutionary China to the dastardly imperialist pig dogs in the US.
Tankies are a confused bunch.
There is no morality to statehood - just cost-benefit analysis
So you’re not a fan of national self determination then?
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The right to self-determination does not mean a right to an independent state or any right to secede.
Also I’m not a fan of creating a new national identity just so the US can claim part of China for its puppet regime. That’s using nationalism for a colonial divide-and-conquer strategy, that’s pretty much the opposite of liberation and self-determination.
The right of self-determination means that a nation may arrange its life in the way it wishes. It has the right to arrange its life on the basis of autonomy. It has the right to enter into federal relations with other nations. It has the right to complete secession. Nations are sovereign, and all nations have equal rights.
You have no clue about Chinese history do you.
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First link: Members of A Company, so you’re looking at 100 people maximum and likely less. Not exactly a large fighting force.
Second link: There’s nothing “quiet” about it. It’s been blaring on Western News non-stop for about 6 years now. The US has been completely open about weapons sales and training schedules.
Third link: We gave President Tsai Ing-Wen a medal. Okay, and?
The NED is notorious for basically being a CIA cut-out
It’s amazing that this gets any downvotes at all.
Washington Post 1991: Innocence Abroad: the New World of Spyless Coups
“A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA,” agrees [NED cofounder Allen] Weinstein.
New York Times, 1997: Political Meddling by Outsiders: Not New for U.S.
The National Endowment for Democracy, created 15 years ago to do in the open what the Central Intelligence Agency has done surreptitiously for decades, spends $30 million a year to support things like political parties, labor unions, dissident movements and the news media in dozens of countries, including China.
not a fighting force
Genuine question, I know tone is hard to read online but I promise I’m not trying to be snarky: do you know the role that special forces in general and green berets in particular play in US proxy wars? They don’t fight, they raise and train local militias how to do insurgency and kill political enemies. Anytime green berets are in a country next door to an enemy of the US empire, it’s because they’re training the next ARVN, Taliban or Azov Battalion.
Not exactly a large fighting force
they’re not there to hold down a trench
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Why would China invade itself?
Fuck off
Taiwan is independent and will always stay that way
Taiwan is China, even the separatist regime in Taipei agrees on that.
Bro, you literally called them separatists lol
How many countries recognize Taiwan again?
Why would it need to be more than one?
And it’s 12, counting the Vatican.
Is the US among it? And why are they choosing to arm Taiwan instead? Do you think the US would be chill if another country decided to arm Hawaii,Puerto Rico, Alaska,… ?
FYI the weapons are basically shit (there’s agreement among Taiwanese and Chinese nationalists) and can’t be used for force projection at all. In Taiwan purchasing of these arms is considered paying protection money to the mafia. In the US it’s spun as helping Taiwan protect itself against China. In China it’s spun as the US interfering with China’s “internal affairs” since they’re larping as owning Taiwan.
I do agree that the US is trying to bait China into attacking Taiwan though. The special forces in Kinmen to train kids (they’re probably <23 years old) to pilot microdrones? LMAO. I’m not sure if CIA intelligence (as opposed to operations) even know the actual reason of why China wants to claim Taiwan. They may believe in their own propaganda.
The KMT doesn’t represent Taiwan. The CPC should have finished them off/sent them to jail. Mao was for Taiwanese independene from it’s Japanese colonizers.
Wait let me quickly turn to the left and ask my taiwanese coworker
She says your full of shit and should go back to licking boots in silence
That’s weird that she has the same exact response to both the comments you asked her about. This story feels very real and true.
Ask “her” if “she” has any rebuttal to the actual things being said.
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Nope
Fuck off
No you; the argument was never that Taiwan is independent, even our government has never acknowledged that; only utter imbeciles ever thought that was the case.
The KMT doesn’t represent Taiwan. Tsai, obviously the former president, has already said that Taiwan is already independent and doesn’t need to “declare independence”. China’s position is 100% LARP. Their claim is that they already own Taiwan, which makes no sense at all.
There are basically ZERO pundits anywhere that know the history of Taiwan. They either parrot same NAFO-type propaganda or CPC propaganda – which is basically that Taiwan is an “inalienable part of China”, which is simply historically false. Throughout most of Chinese history none of the leaders gave two shits about the island of Taiwan until it became part of an important trade route. THEN the Qing dynasty started to administer very very small parts of it. They were later forced to give up their rule on those parts of Taiwan to imperial Japan for many reasons (yes, imperial Japan is bad). Afterwards, there still wasn’t much of a concern for taking Taiwan, either from the CPC nor the KMT. It only started happening after KMT lost their war and started claiming Taiwan was theirs and planning their escape plan. Shortly afterwards, the CPC said Taiwan was there’s as well.
In the bigger picture, aboriginal Taiwanese have arrived at Taiwan in various periods, starting around 6000 years ago. The vast majority of “Chinese” that came to Taiwan came starting around the 1600’s due to the Dutch East Indian company encouraging immigration from China and later on the Qing dynasty encouraged immigration as well (1800’s). CPC propaganda makes it seem like “Chinese” presence in Taiwan all came from the KMT fleeing to Taiwan or something. The KMT and all of their descendants only make up less than ONE FIFTH of the population of Taiwan.
Anyway I skipped over a lot of history including Dutch atrocities in Taiwan, a Ming loyalist dispelling the Dutch, and the Spanish colonization of (small parts) of Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Formosa
Taiwanese identity is also very important and unlike what the CPC says, it’s not about being “anti-Chinese” or “not Chinese”, which makes no sense.Also, what does being loyal to “China” actually mean? The Ming dynasty had conflicts with the Qing dynasty, which one was more Chinese? Is the CPC responsible for everything bad previous dynasties did? Should the CPC take responsibility for KMT atrocities?? If no, why not? Do they own all the land that previous dynasties have owned? Does the CPC own all land that Chinese people live on? (Chinese nationalists actually use the ethnostate argument as a reason as to why the CPC should own Taiwan).
It would be awesome if Taiwan were rid of the dominance of the Han Chinese and recognized as an aboriginal nation-state led predominantly by the aboriginals. Unfortunately, just like the KMT, the West would ensure that such a state would be part of the fascist empire and used against China regardless of the will of the aboriginal peoples. Maybe someday Taiwan can be decolonized, but not until the European empire ends. Decolonization before that will end up like decolonization of Africa did - with European capture, counter-revolution, and the building of imperial military extensions.
Sure
So the southern US is its own independent country right? The losing side of civil wars gets to keep “their” land? (Actually this is being too charitable to Taiwan, they actually invaded land and called it theirs)
The KMT and CPC are both from China. The vast vast majority of Taiwanese are not KMT from China nor any of their descendants.
Unless you suggest that KMT is a nationality or ethnicity, 95-97% of Taiwan population is Han Chinese (mostly Hoklo and Hakka), and barely 2% are indigenous.
Wait let me quickly turn to the left and ask my taiwanese coworker
She says your full of shit and should go back to licking boots in silence
I mean yes, nationalists will be nationalists. I can also find a ton of confederates in the south of the US, flying the flag and everything. Here’s hoping she doesn’t have the same views on ethnicity as most nationalists do 😬
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You can just not respond lol. I knew you weren’t going to have anything worthwhile to say, but instead of turning tail and walking away like liberals usually do, you gotta waste time with reddit-tier turbo nerd responses. I just know you are familiar with the inside of a locker.
Dutifully reciting DoD memos verbatim and then calling me a bootlicker lol
And I hope you don’t actually lick as much taiwanese nationalist boot in real live as online
That can’t be healthy
I can assure you
I don’t
Do you support the Confederates?
Taiwan is its own country. I will never understand why some people outside China insist that Taiwan is a part of China.
You will never understand why every US president since the Chinese civil war has said Taiwan is not a separate country? You will never understand why every year more nations drop the historical alignment with the former fascist dictatorship of the civil war’s losers to the current internationally recognized government of China? You will never understand something that has been understood for literally 70 years?
Sounds like a skill issue.
It doesn’t matter what the people outside China think. The people inside China - on both sides of the Taiwan strait - think Taiwan is part of China. They all call themselves Chinese except the tiny minority that speak with American accents. There are indigenous ethnic minorities on Taiwan whose ancestors were not part of China, but they didn’t call themselves ‘Taiwan’ because that’s a Chinese word.
And people in the Netherlands call themselves Dutch…
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You think it’s absurd that some people think the Republic Of China is part of China?
I get that names aren’t everything, but it reflects both the recent history and the de jure policies of the ROC, PRC, UN and USA.
Don’t say that in Taiwan. You might get into trouble.
Taiwan, or rather The Republic of China, claims to be the legitimate China. This includes all of the mainland. The losers of China’s civil war fled to Taiwan, but their claim to all of China continues.
just fyi, I live in Taiwan, and people never get into trouble for saying that. don’t lecture me on how to behave in my homeland. now I know you didn’t know I lived here, but just maybe, maybe you should refrain from saying stuff you don’t know well enough about
didnt this literally happen to tens of thousands of people during the white terror or am I tripping
that was decades ago. it never happens nowadays
turns out if you just kill everyone who mentions it no one is left to complain about it, interesting
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Carrying on the legacy of Deng Xiaoping
The fuck???
He’s a slippery one
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Chinese leader Xi Jinping has accused the US of trying to trick China into invading Taiwan, but he said it won’t take the bait, the Financial Times reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
According to the FT, Xi made the accusation during a meeting with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in April last year.
Xi has issued the same warning to officials in his own country, one source told the FT, but this would be the first time he made the claim to a foreign leader, the outlet said.
But the mood in Washington, DC, seems to be shifting, with Congress showing itself more “overtly supportive of Taiwan than only a few years ago,” Graeme Thomson, an analyst with the Eurasia Group, told BI in November.
Last month, a US congressional delegation met with senior Taiwanese officials to discuss US-Taiwan relations, a few days after China conducted military drills around the island.
During a meeting in April, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi warned US Secretary of State Antony Blinken not to cross China’s “red lines” on sovereignty, security, and development interests.
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Oh, you’re a Trotskyist? What are you thoughts on transitional programs?
Nerd shit, let’s do the permanent revolution already
The same Xi that violates Taiwan’s airspace continuously. That increases the airspace violations whenever Taiwan does something that he doesn’t like, like democratically electing pro-independence politicians or when US politicians visit Taiwan.
Yeah sure Xi, the only reason you threaten Taiwan’s democracy is because the US tricked you into it.
This is such a ridiculous take. Taiwan is literally historically, legally and internationally-recognized part of China. It’s literally an island that is part of China. There is no Taiwanese airspace to violate - it’s China’s airspace and has been since planes were invented.
Further, he didn’t say the USA is trying to trick him into violating Taiwanese democracy but instead is trying to trick him into invading Taiwan, specifically by publishing stories about completing that Pacific Kill Chain by deploying specialized weapon installations on the island that could neutralize China’s military advantages via nuclear first strike capabilities. China doesn’t need to invade Taiwan for Taiwan to accept the one country two systems approach of integration which you would still consider a violation of their democracy.
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Oh bother 😏
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XI is way too smart to push deep into the nether regions of Taiwan, especially after being briefed by Wang.
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Perfect
