• AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Yup, a total failure. They’re currently at -2. They’ve rescued no hostages and killed two “by accident”. The only time Israel got hostages was when the military was put on a leash during a ceasefire and they traded some of their own Palestinian hostages.

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldM
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      9 months ago

      Israel does not keep or have Palestinian hostages.

      You are trying to establish a moral equivalence between kidnapping civilians from their homes and arresting suspected or convicted criminals. They are not the same thing and equating them only muddies the waters on the real underlying issues.

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        9 months ago

        Israel has thousands of Palestinians in “administrative detention” that have not been accused of any crimes. Using a fancy word doesn’t make them not hostages. You are right that falsely imprisoning thousands of people over a long period of time as part of a standing policy of oppression is not the same as having 50 one time hostages. It’s way worse.

        https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/29/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinians-detention-and-available-swap

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            9 months ago

            Dozens, maybe as many as 100. There were only about 200 taken to begin with. Hamas gave back more than a third, and Israel has murdered at least several, that we know of. So sure, bicker about that number and give no fucks about the THOUSANDS of hostages Israel is keeping with no plans to release.

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        9 months ago

        Lmao, no. Holding people without charges is kidnapping them and that’s the best interpretation. The words State Sponsored Terrorism exist for a reason.

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          9 months ago

          This is exactly what I mean by muddying the waters. Israel clearly has an extremely damaged criminal justice system, but those underlying systems are not going to be addressed as long as the world refuses to acknowledge them.

          When you have activists who only understand half the story decrying Palestinian “hostages,” they draw focus away from where it’s needed. Israel needs serious criminal justice reform, but that is now than ever from happening.

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            9 months ago

            I have an idea about how they could start, stop detaining people for no reason and holding them for years without charge.

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              9 months ago

              Okay, so now you are beginning to clarify instead of obfuscate.

              You’ve identified a problem with policing; unjust detainment. That’s something that deserves attention. You can donate here to help.

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                9 months ago

                I’m sorry but they’ve had time to reform that. What needs to happen now is the release of all Israeli held hostages.