You’re not familiar at all with what propaganda is? What dehumanization is? What nationalism is? What capitalism is? That’s how.
How about I ask another question. Who specifically are the groups susceptible to war crimes. Point at them. Every single russian? How do you identify them? Every single American? Every single German? Every single British person? Every single person from sudan? War crimes and atrocities and the like are carried out basically globally by every people. You really think it’s just select people or do you think maybe it’s something that humans are susceptible to and we should guard against? Don’t be naive and assume you’re special.
those arguments are the same ones the nazis used to defend themselves at nuremburg. they didn’t work several decades ago, so what do you think has changed in the interim that makes them a good argument now?
Listen I say this is someone who’s looking out for your own good. I want you to educate yourself on how easy it is for fascism to infect people. Read They Thought They Were Free. Understand that Nazis weren’t comic book villains. They were for the most part regular people that fell for the grift. That went along with it cuz it was easy. That you couldn’t look at them and identify them by their evil eyes. Because people that think Nazis were some kind of comic book evil villain instead of regular people who did Evil are people who are going to fall for the same thing. They don’t understand how easy it is to fall for fascism. They’re the reason fascism has overtaken the world again. Because they think it couldn’t happen to them.
Ordinary Men is another book on this topic, mostly following a group of older police officers who turned into perpetrators of genocide. It affected me deeply. It’s based on interviews and Nuremburg testimony.
This just comes across as too prejustifying become a war criminal.
It ignores all the people who resisted and all those who resisted and died.
You have already decided you would rather survive by murdering and raping and being a good soilder and that’s all on you.
You are what allows fascists to operate and that was the point of the thread. You’ve been given enough rope on your his and you used it all thinking you were winning.
What an absurd comment. What an enormous straw man you’ve managed to build here.
Truly this is the mindset that scares me about the future. The idea that education and knowledge and preparedness should be discouraged. The idea that being able to look at and identify the trends of impending fascism should be discouraged. You’re like an anti-vaxxer. The disease of fascism Rises and you sit there without a mask.
Your visceral reaction to the summation of your words presented back at you succinctly is not a straw man. It does nothing to address my concern that you’re primed to be a fascist boot, instead it reinforces it by illustrating your lack of culpability in what you preach.
your argument against mine saying that people have a personal responsibility for engaging in war crimes like rape and torture, is to absolve them of that guilt by claiming that anyone could be tricked into such acts. that’s nazi apologia.
That’s not even remotely close do anything I said.
However I wanted you to consider something. In our conversations you’ve shown yourself to be extremely judgmental, quick to anger, exceedingly hostile, inability to consider points of views of others, you’ve shown a sense of innate self-superiority, and an inability to empathize. If I were trying to describe the people most susceptible to being conditioned to commit war crimes and atrocities those are all traits I would absolutely list. You’re not special. Nobody is.
Netanyahu thinks Palestinians are subhuman, and has convinced the nation of Israel of the same. does that excuse the IDF soliders for raping Palestinian prisoners? yes or no, please, I want you to answer that.
I’m not sure who on Earth you were quoting here (im guessing yourself) or what it has to do with anything we said. Absolution has never been our topic.
But since we’re asking questions I’d like you to go back and answer the question I asked a couple responses ago that you ignored. Your argument is that people who commit war crimes atrocities are special. Only certain select people do them. You’re not one of those people, you’re innately Superior to those people. And I just want to know again who those people are? How do you identify them? What makes them so inherently evil? How are there so many of them? Inexhaustibly throughout human history in every people and culture.
Before you answer that question though I’d like you to look at that quote you posted that I assume is from you. I noticed you said something in that quote. You said Netanyahu convinced the people of Israel of the same. He convinced them. How did he do that? I thought it was only certain people. I thought you couldn’t be convinced of things like that. Isn’t that the Crux of your entire argument? That only the other people are capable of those things? How do you convince a whole people? Surely you’re not going to make the argument that all Israeli people are inherently evil, so doesn’t that rather break your entire argument apart here?
You’re not familiar at all with what propaganda is? What dehumanization is? What nationalism is? What capitalism is? That’s how.
How about I ask another question. Who specifically are the groups susceptible to war crimes. Point at them. Every single russian? How do you identify them? Every single American? Every single German? Every single British person? Every single person from sudan? War crimes and atrocities and the like are carried out basically globally by every people. You really think it’s just select people or do you think maybe it’s something that humans are susceptible to and we should guard against? Don’t be naive and assume you’re special.
those arguments are the same ones the nazis used to defend themselves at nuremburg. they didn’t work several decades ago, so what do you think has changed in the interim that makes them a good argument now?
Listen I say this is someone who’s looking out for your own good. I want you to educate yourself on how easy it is for fascism to infect people. Read They Thought They Were Free. Understand that Nazis weren’t comic book villains. They were for the most part regular people that fell for the grift. That went along with it cuz it was easy. That you couldn’t look at them and identify them by their evil eyes. Because people that think Nazis were some kind of comic book evil villain instead of regular people who did Evil are people who are going to fall for the same thing. They don’t understand how easy it is to fall for fascism. They’re the reason fascism has overtaken the world again. Because they think it couldn’t happen to them.
Ordinary Men is another book on this topic, mostly following a group of older police officers who turned into perpetrators of genocide. It affected me deeply. It’s based on interviews and Nuremburg testimony.
This just comes across as too prejustifying become a war criminal.
It ignores all the people who resisted and all those who resisted and died.
You have already decided you would rather survive by murdering and raping and being a good soilder and that’s all on you.
You are what allows fascists to operate and that was the point of the thread. You’ve been given enough rope on your his and you used it all thinking you were winning.
What an absurd comment. What an enormous straw man you’ve managed to build here.
Truly this is the mindset that scares me about the future. The idea that education and knowledge and preparedness should be discouraged. The idea that being able to look at and identify the trends of impending fascism should be discouraged. You’re like an anti-vaxxer. The disease of fascism Rises and you sit there without a mask.
Your visceral reaction to the summation of your words presented back at you succinctly is not a straw man. It does nothing to address my concern that you’re primed to be a fascist boot, instead it reinforces it by illustrating your lack of culpability in what you preach.
What on Earth are you babbling about?
I’m just curious as to why you think the nazis were innocent of their war crimes? after all, you’re using nazi apologia.
Literally no one is saying that. You sound ridiculous.
your argument against mine saying that people have a personal responsibility for engaging in war crimes like rape and torture, is to absolve them of that guilt by claiming that anyone could be tricked into such acts. that’s nazi apologia.
you’re obviously a terrible fucking person.
That’s not even remotely close do anything I said.
However I wanted you to consider something. In our conversations you’ve shown yourself to be extremely judgmental, quick to anger, exceedingly hostile, inability to consider points of views of others, you’ve shown a sense of innate self-superiority, and an inability to empathize. If I were trying to describe the people most susceptible to being conditioned to commit war crimes and atrocities those are all traits I would absolutely list. You’re not special. Nobody is.
I want you to answer this too. yes, or no?
I’m not sure who on Earth you were quoting here (im guessing yourself) or what it has to do with anything we said. Absolution has never been our topic.
But since we’re asking questions I’d like you to go back and answer the question I asked a couple responses ago that you ignored. Your argument is that people who commit war crimes atrocities are special. Only certain select people do them. You’re not one of those people, you’re innately Superior to those people. And I just want to know again who those people are? How do you identify them? What makes them so inherently evil? How are there so many of them? Inexhaustibly throughout human history in every people and culture.
Before you answer that question though I’d like you to look at that quote you posted that I assume is from you. I noticed you said something in that quote. You said Netanyahu convinced the people of Israel of the same. He convinced them. How did he do that? I thought it was only certain people. I thought you couldn’t be convinced of things like that. Isn’t that the Crux of your entire argument? That only the other people are capable of those things? How do you convince a whole people? Surely you’re not going to make the argument that all Israeli people are inherently evil, so doesn’t that rather break your entire argument apart here?