I thought data caps for home internet were a thing of the past…
I’ve somewhat recently moved back to a very rural area of the Midwest. Small town. No stop lights. Biggest businesses other than the bars are Casey’s, Subway, and Dollar General.
And we have one ISP (not counting DSL) — Mediacom. When we first signed up, I had to go with the second service tier. But not because of speeds, but so I could have a reasonable 1 TB/mo data cap.
Lucky me, they increased the cap to 1.5 TB. 🙄
I hope that in my lifetime I can see ISPs regulated as a public utility.
In Switzerland you get unlimited 10 Gbit/s for 50 bucks.
I hate you, congrats!
In Canada we have to give our firstborn to a telecommunication monopoly for somewhat OK internet.
Somewhat OK internet on the infrastructure our taxes paid for and the government handed over to Bell and Rogers, but don’t worry, they’ll stop all the other evil corporations from coming in and giving us cheaper internet.
I pay 90 ish Canadian pesos for 1gb/1gb for Bell fibre. It’s not too bad depending on your location, though that price is still too high. I’m at least making good use of it. 12tb of total transfers this month.
I pay 80$ for 1gb/750mb with bell. I could upgrade to 3/3 for 120$ but then they’d change my modem and the homehub 3000 was the last one I could remove the transceiver and plug fiber directly in my server opnsense router.
Wait, how’d you get that with Bell? I’m pretty sure my plan is the same speeds for like… double that amount
I have a permanent $30 discount from when I signed up. Also, apologies, I mixed up the price with my cell plan. 90 not 60.
I’m in a new construction (1yo), we only have Bell. Used to pay around that for 1Gbps, then they had a promo for 1.5Gbps at the same price couple months after we moved in. Called to complain, they ended up bumping me at that speed.
what the hell
WTF? 25gbps? Dang we really do have shitty internet in the States.
And /48 IPv6 subnet included! As it should be!
A /48 is quite overkill for a home customer. Do you have 65536 LANs at home? Here in Belgium, we get a /56.
They’re just preparing for one day when you have your own personal swarm of nano bots
Is it actually 10Gbit/s or just marketing? And how’s the latency?
The latency for 1Gbit/s is amazing, and i seem to get that speed. But i really don’t have the hardware for more anyways.
Yeah, but those are metric bits so they are a little bit smaller.
And for 80$/month you can get 25Gbps!
🔫 hand over the internet bill
Omg
Data caps on home internet services should be illegal. They should also be much higher on mobile, but that’s a whole other topic.
I have 940/940 Unlimited FTTH for $93.45(Canadian).
Home internet data caps WERE a thing of the past when Obama appointed Tom Wheeler as FCC chairman, who then pushed rulings to classify ISPs as a public utility and started enforcing net neutrality. Companies that didn’t play ball started getting fined until they fell in line. Being a former executive for a major ISP, he was very familiar with the anti-competitive practices and underhanded tricks those companies had been using for years; and he used those practices against them to finally make some pro-consumer progress for internet access in the US.
Then, Trump came in and put Ajit Pai in charge of the FCC (no joke, my phone kept auto correcting his name to Shit Pie). Anyways, Shit Pie tore down those rulings and undid all those years of progress as part of the Trump administration’s anti-Obama initiative. Even though it was proven time and again that what he did was directly against public opinion, and that ISPs were flooding the public commentary with bot posts(some even made by dead people); Shit Pie continued to meme about himself and drink from an obnoxiously large Reese’s coffee mug while doing so. At this point, every provider of internet services has added back data caps in the US, and they have continued to increase their prices to maintain that 99.9% profit margin. They’ve also locked down more areas to prevent municipal broadband services from forming, and they’re even pushing for legislation to prevent them from ever happening.
The current administration has done absolutely nothing. In fact, they’ve been so unremarkable, I have no idea who is in charge of the FCC, and I don’t feel like looking it up.
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Ajit Pai used to be a lawyer for AT&T, just like the previous guy was an executive for the ISPs. However Ajit Pai was nominated by Obama originally. Trump made him head, but don’t get it twisted - there is a bipartisan concerted effort to fuck you. Tom Wheeler was just as bad as Pai - they were considering getting rid of net neutrality already in 2014 under him.
They basically just wait for the right moment to strike. If they fail they wait a few years and try again. They have a lot more patience persistence and attention than the public. They will always win.
In Thailand I’m getting 400Mbps upload and download with unlimited data.
It costs about 300฿/mo ≈ $8.7/mo
USAGE ALLOWANCE?!?!
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Dude… The US is doing it wrong. SE Asia. 1Gbps symmetrical, unlimited, unrestricted. ~14US$.
Australia looks like an interesting case. Iknow that in some countries, ISPs have to provide service to both urban and rural customers at the same price, which means that urban customers actually subsidize people living in rural areas. In some other cases, the gouvernements help pay for this.
Isn’t there a project in Australia that the federal gouvernement is subsidizing the role-out of fibre?
I have no idea, but that idea didn’t work out all that well in the US. The gov provided funding for expansion to the countryside for all the major telecoms…and they just pocketed without actually implementing anything.
Idk but pricing in Australia is fucked. The fibre network isn’t that large to begin with afaik, and even if you do have fibre you have to pay an arm and a leg for good speeds.
E.g. I pay like $70 USD a month for 100/40.
Symmetric gigabit costs several hundred a month, they’re not intended for residential customers.
Yeah, the ISP cartels sucks. I’ve been stuck paying $170/mo for uncapped 1000/35mbps connection.
Thankfully, before the end of the year, a local ISP is moving into my area. They offer uncapped symmetrical gigabit, for $75/mo… I’ll be saving $95/mo for BETTER service.
The longstanding ISP cartels should seriously be punished for the abuse of their market positions and failure to appropriately use government funding they’ve been given.
$40 for 2 Gbps unlimited in Singapore. Caps on home broadband are frankly nonsensical.
I’m paying $40 CAD/mo for 1.5 Gbps down and 940 Mbps up here in Canada. Unlimited bandwidth, of course.
In Germany we pay lots of money for 5G data volume. For me I got 20 Gigs for about 40 bucks, this is mostly Not a thing in the rest of Europe. But data plans on landlines are really dumb.
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Well mobile data is very different. With fibre optic you can generally keep provisioning more cables and a single cable already carries a huge amount already.
Radio has an absolute efficiency limit for the bandwidth of a signal and we’re pretty damn close to that now.
5g uses wider bandwidth channels, with more cells closer together and uses things like beamforming. But there’s still always going to be an upper limit that is considerably lower than fibre.
This is why they likely want to discourage 5g becoming a full alternative to wired, because there’s just not the capacity to do it on the same scale.
If you really think about it, caps on mobile data are also fairly stupid
Mobile is a shared medium and can only support a certain amount of bandwidth per phone mast (in a certain area). A mobile phone network heavily relies on most users not using their data plans most of the time.
Belgium has them
Belgium also has free parking I’ve heard.
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In France at least I doubt it.
The only time I remember caps on landlines was when 56k modem were still the norm. Once ADSL was rolled out there was pretty much no caps anymore.
I think the fact that we had some healthy competition for landlines from the get go in my country meant the ISPs couldn’t get that much greedy and put caps in place. So it never ended being common where I live.
And when it was old school modems, well you were already paying for the phone communications anyway when connected to the internet so it wasn’t really unlimited anyway.
Well, I’m in portugal, which does NOT have a lot of healthy competition in the communication space, and as far as I remember there haven’t been data caps (I’m 18, so last 10 years is what I reasonably remember regarding being online), so I’ve always assumed it had to be some European level law
Agreed. In the past you would pay for calling and text messages and data was often unlimited at the higher tiers, but since nobody pays extra for calling and texting anymore, they’re now charging for data. Luckily they can’t charge extra for EU roaming anymore.
Data caps on landlines is something that I haven’t seen for a very long time in my EU country. The last time I had a subscription with a data cap must have been with a 56k modem, if at all. Cable and DSL might have had fair use policies back in the day (or maybe they still do, who knows), but no hard cap. Or at least not that I can remember.
Internet nowadays is way too important to have data caps, especially at home. 5G should definitely be next. Differentiate in speed all you want, but ditch the caps.
There are still plans with data caps in Belgium, this is limited to the “cheapest” plans though at about 30 EUR a month
Data caps do exist in Europe, but they’re generally reserved for ultra cheap data plans. Something like €5 for 100mbit speeds. So you get a decent connection, but limited in traffic instead. Which makes sense.
While it’s stupid that ISPs are using their monopolies to screw consumers, the concept of data caps is not as stupid as you might think.
You’re not just paying for the connection between you and the ISP, but also all the other data links that get your internet traffic to its destination. For example, those cables across the ocean are owned third parties and they charge money for every byte that goes through. It wouldn’t be unreasonable for ISPs to pass that cost to users.
Furthermore, most links are overprovisioned in order to keep costs down. For example, if you assume that users only use 10% of their bandwidth on average, that means you can fit 10x as many people on a connection (or maybe 8x to account for peaks). This does mean that users should be discouraged from using their full bandwidth for long durations, otherwise the network operators can’t overprovision as much and have to invest more in infrastructure.
In Denmark, I pay ~19€ (~$21) for 1000GB of mobile data (they call it ‘unlimited’, but the small text says they may cut you off at 1000GB). Of course, I rarely use more than 50GB a month on my phone.
This is what I am talking about … Most countries in Europe just gives you kinda unlimited data plans… look at this crap
I rarely need mobile data because I work from home but if my landline has an interruption I can barely work 1 or 2 days with that if I tweak data consumption on my work laptop.weint auf deutsch
I’m moving to another provider next month to increase from 8GB@€30 to 15GB€25… Those are per month…
25€ for 15G is also way too much. I now pay 5,99 for 7GB. (Also germany, monthly cancellable, sim.de [No advertisement])
You should look here for good prices.
Vielen Dank!, The problem is I need the Telekom Network otherwise I pay for nothing as the other ones won’t have reception :(
You can untick the other providers. I found this one for example.
Check out Vodafone if you’re younger than 28. I’m paying 22€/month with their Gigakombi for unlimited 5G.
Way beyond that ;)
Pretty much a thing in NL and afaik also BE.
source: am Dutch.
T mobile NL, 5G capped at 22GB. Cost: 20 euro.
35 euro in NL wl give you t mobile unlimited which is capped at 15 GB per day. Other providers charge more or less the same.
@home internet 1up/down GB fiber 45 euro. No datacap.
I’m reading all the comments and I’m shocked… In France, with uncapped access and 1Gbps down/600Mbps up (theorical) I pay 40€/mo (30€ every six month when I call to complain that it’s too expensive). And it’s definitely not the cheapest provider.
That’s insane !
1Gbps down/700Mbps up here, 35€/month (another french provider), no data caps - for 5 bucks/month more I could have 5Gbps down/1Gbps up, but… well, my home network is still using 1Gbps switches - but all the cabling was built with 10Gbps in mind.
Data caps are pure robbery. We run a non-profit ISP/hosting platform and a non-profit IXP with friends in West France, the only thing you pay (and the only thing end users should have to pay) is goddamn bandwidth.
Interesting that they give you more up than down. Are you on a server plan or something like that?
Edit: lol just noticed what community this is, server plan makes more sense now.
I messed up, that’s the opposite actually ^^
(30€ every six month when I call to complain that it’s too expensive)
Sounds like a Liberty Global owned telecom company… they love their annual price increases ugh, but they are usually the fastest option in most areas
I just don’t understand the point of data caps. Internet is not something you order, like 10TBs for a village and the next order will arrive the next month. Or worse - internet supply issues, where Cisco is not able to manufacture TBs in time… Like what the fuck is data cap.
You don’t have TBs in internet infrastructure. You have throughput which means how much data per second you can send through your infrastructure.
Anyway, everyone flexing their ISPs, so do I:
- Vilnius, capital city of Lithuania
- “Telia” ISP.
- They offer speeds from 250mbps min to 2gbps max.
- Not sure about the other plans, but 1GBPS that I have is 940mbps down and 580mbps up and costs 19.90eur per month. Most importantly - no data caps, no slowdowns (at least in the past 3 years) and public IP that does not change.
I sorta understand why data caps were implemented in the past. Some people hosted servers on their home connection, and their total internet traffic in a week would far exceed that of a normal user’s. Data caps were meant to force people to be conservative on their internet usage so this would not happen.
But come on now, it’s 2023. If your internet infrastructure could not handle that amount of traffic, you are a laughing stock of ISPs.
Data cap never made sense because ISPs pay for pipe size, not total of data. Someone using 20mbps 24/7 will use a lot more data but cause a lot less congestion than someone using 300mbps for 1hr at peak hour every day.
If their infra is undersized, they should at least not count data between midnight and 8am toward the data cap since the pipes are mostly sitting idles
The Internet is not a big truck 🚛 it’s a series of tubes ➿
Overall everyone will use less data when there’s a data cap, I found.
My ISP implemented data caps back then too (thankfully it’s all removed now, but 60GB was really bonkers!) and I just find it fascinating how much traffic I generate nowadays, when I don’t have to care how much data I have left this month.
Anyways, data caps shouldn’t be relevant anymore in 2023 when absolutely everything can handle gigabits and more. It’s interesting how American ISPs still implement them.
The point is to make money, do they charge extra to increase the data cap? If so, it’s all about money.
It sucks. That’s why we need regulations for ISPs. This shouldn’t exist.
lol uncapped 500mbps fiber (actual fiber directly to your house) connection is 10-12$/month in Ukraine
I was very close to closing on a house in rural midwest but I checked isp’s and every one available had caps so I just stayed away.
Looking at all you guys with your gigabit connections, meanwhile I’m in Aus and lucky to get 30 down and 15 up
Not eligible yet for the fttp upgrade? Hang in there mate.
I got upgraded from fttn to fttp at the start of this year.
I’ve used to temporarily live with 100mbps internet (~95mbps up/down). What really helped me:
- CAKE queue (QoS stuff) - every device gets fair share of internet.
- Since I was lucky to have static speeds - bufferbloat was also eliminated.
- QoS - my seedbox had only a spare internet. Which means if everyone/me uses internet at max, then seedbox would have literaly 0 bits per second throughput, and would get it once there is spare throughput available.
- Local DNS-based adblocker. I prefer blocky, but others prefer Pi-Hole. Blocky has a feature to pre-cache commonly used domains, so additional internet performance. :)
https://0xerr0r.github.io/blocky/v0.21/ This? I’ll have to give it a try later. Pihole has a cache also though, does this do something different?
Yes, this one.
Pihole has a cache also though, does this do something different?
The cache you are referring to is basically:
- Device asks to solve google.com
- Pihole asks upstream for IP.
- Pihole returns IP to device
- Another device asks to solve google.com
- Pihole returns IP from cache to another device.
Blocky has the same functionality, but it also detects which domains are frequently requested, therefore puts them into “always keep up to date in cache”.
Basically let’s say that many devices keep requesting for “google.com”, blocky detects it as frequently reqiested domain, and as soon as it expires, instead of removing from cache, blocky simply refreshes it’s value and keeps in cache. Expires again? Refresh and keep in cache again. And does this idefinitely.
Let’s say “google.com” TTL time is 10 minutes. Once 10 minutes passes - blocky should remove it from cache, but because precatching is enabled - it will refresh it instead of removal.
Check documentation for details. ✌️
Very cool thank you!
Local DNS-based adblocker. I prefer blocky, but others prefer Pi-Hole. Blocky has a feature to pre-cache commonly used domains, so additional internet performance. :)
Blocky is written in Go, which I understand is an interpreted language program, versus a compiled language program. Please correct me on this if I’m wrong.
If I’m right, then what kind of performance issues if any do you see using Blocky? I asked this assuming that an interpreted program will run slower than a compiled one.
Blocky is written in Go, which I understand is an interpreted language program, versus a compiled language program. Please correct me on this if I’m wrong.
Yup, you are completelly wrong.
If I’m right, then what kind of performance issues if any do you see using Blocky? I asked this assuming that an interpreted program will run slower than a compiled one.
N/A
Go is awesome. My favorite programming language. <3
To confirm, Go is a compiled language?
Yes, just like rust. It compiles into a single binary.
Thanks.
Wish i had 15 up, im getting 40 down 3 up. They started putting fiber down my street but not active yet, cant wait to go to 1 gig
I live in the UK and currently have copper cable at about 60mbps for £60 per month. I thought what I had was bad because I have a friend who gets 1gbps for £30 a few miles away.
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