No I’m saying that crime exists, period. With or without government, it doesn’t matter, we are born with an internal sense of justice. We know if we’ve been wronged even before we can walk or talk.

Somebody has to deal with it. You can pick a side politically or eschew it completely favoring anarchy, that’s your decision, but SOMEBODY HAS TO DEAL WITH IT.

Here’s a better question, let’s say the government falls tomorrow. America’s out of money, cops, military, Congress, everyone’s disbanded.

Do you think there’s gonna be less killing then?

I agree with you that government can in fact create crime, and I don’t mean by just passing legislation, but actual unethical actions - and that’s not to go into war crimes or crimes against humanity.

Fuck i contend the existence of poverty is a crime against humanity.

So here we are at this question. This or that. We can be critical of government for its punishment focused approach to crime, rightfully so, but absent government, does crime disappear? would theft, rape or murder decrease or increase?

I say they’d increase, at least for the initial decade. We’re a long way away from subsistence farming, and not necessarily in a good way. In a prolonged grid down environment it’s expected 90% perish in the first year. How far would you go to get your family medicine? Cuz if my kid needs meds and the only way I can get them is through other people, well, that’s just what I gotta do then. It’s not even a decision.