Since Zionist colonialism began, the region has been drawn from one conflict to another. It operates like a cancerous tumor.
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Canada is there as well. You can tell because they send each other the same statement “Israel has the right to defend itself” when they literally started an attack, and committing a live streamed genocide.
The statement, of right to self defence, is already proof they are guilty. Imagine someone shoot a few people, and the first statement when police arrive is: “I have the right to defend my self”
Spoken like a true genocidal idiot
Excised? What the actual fuck?
Do you think the population of these countries support this shit?
Nice. Iran has the right to defend itself.
I wouldn’t include Nice, but I agree with that.
Israel came in and started an act of war. If it was flipped, news would be screaming about Iran being a warmonger.
Because Iran IS a war mongering nation. Just because they are the enemy of the people you’re Xenophobic about doesn’t mean they’re the good guys
Your comment isn’t written very well so I can’t be sure of who you’re calling xenophobic. But if you’re trying to do that thing where you conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism, you can fuck right off. We’ve had that argument and your side lost.
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Iran has never started a war
The sponsor of hezbola, hamas and houtis, that floods the middle east with weapons since the 70s never started a war? That Iran?
Nothing xenophobic about it, unless Ehud Olmert is xenophobic.
“What we are doing in Gaza is a war of extermination: the indiscriminate, unrestrained, brutal, and criminal killing of civilians. We are doing this not because of an accidental loss of control in a particular sector, not because of a disproportionate outburst of fighters in some unit — but as a result of a policy dictated by the government, knowingly, intentionally, viciously, maliciously, recklessly. Yes, we are committing war crimes.”
Can the former prime minister of Israel be xenophobic towards Israel?
What’s xenophobic about not agreeing with how a government is running a country, its people and its wars?
I guess my biggest issue is watching Americans moralize and try to lead the charge, while me and my people are still waiting for so much as an apology for all the genocide and cultural destruction you guys committed against us
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Bit presumptuous to assume I and others are American too like
Who is us? Native Americans?
From the gay people they execute and the female protesters that they disappear?
Additionally did I have a right to defend or retaliate after you guys wrecked my country and treated my people like scum? Cause if so, death to America.
Israel do not discriminate between a pro regime, an anti regime, a women, a gay etc when killing
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From the genocidal Zionists which killed more gay people in one year than Iran since its inception.
Go simp for Zionists on Reddit.
It’s wild, im indigenous and have never had so much hate and racism thrown at me by white leftists who are perching to my brown ass about genocide and colonialism, as I have these pat two years. The rest of us around the world are shaking our head at you guys, your right wingers have been toxic for a long time, but the African left decided to follow suit this year. Non American leftists think you guys are all extremists now
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Non American leftists think you guys are all extremists now
In what ways? What are some specific views that you have that are in opposition to the American leftists? And who is “we”? At least narrowing it down to a specific nationality would be really helpful for context for understanding what perspective you are speaking from.
…did I have a right to defend or retaliate after you guys wrecked my country and treated my people like scum?
Yes
Cause if so, death to America.
That was always an option, yes.
So if a bunch of Mexican people start blowing up your family it’s all good?
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I mean I don’t remember Canada fucking up Mexico in the past but sure? Its not all good even if justified, I would say the native people have a legit reason to beef with my nation for example. But I don’t think I did anything myself to invite a response.
Iranian women are protesting and they want nuclear weapons https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QT8-500J7lo
Iran also should have the right to chose their own leaders. But they don’t. Which is too bad. If they weren’t stuck with a Supreme Dictator making their decisions then they wouldn’t even need to be defending themselves right now.
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They do not because do you know who overthrew the Iranian democracy in 1953?
From the podcast I’m listening to, sounds like it was Teddy Roosevelt’s grand son.
Iran’s current regime has committed many crimes, while I hate them, I also hate Israel who’s committing an active genocide. Israel is a foreign entity, Iran is not. Today its Iran, tomorrow its some other country.
There ia an old netenyaho video saying pakistan is next
Well, Iran has the right to defend itself
I’m no Israel supporter but fuck the IRGC. I hope Iranians can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to khamenei and death to all the IRGC leadership. I hope they all become kotlets.
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I mean, fuck Hamas too. They’re far right fundamentalists. But fuck Israel so much harder. And for the time being the enemy of my enemy, etc.
Let’s hope for the same in Israel. Both need it badly.
Likud is the *left right of the governing coalition. They need regime change badly.
Edit: not the right of the coalation madly enough
Except every poll says around 80% of Israelis cheer the genocide.
Iran has been in the region for over 4000 years. The source of the problem is more recent and Western.
You are an Israel supporter.
Enough with two sides team based simplistic sense of geopolitics. Israel is a warmongering aggressor state who is attacking Iran, an autocratic theocracy that commits crimes on its own people on a regular basis. There is no reason two things can not be true and terrible at the same time.
The biggest amount of suffering is because of the western imposed sanctions on Iran. Your are supporting another regime change like the previous Shah which only serves Western purposes.
Shut, and I cannot stress this enough, the fuck up.
In 2009, the government killed 1.500 people because they went out to ask were their votes went. 10 years later they killed the same amount because people protested an overnight gas price hike of 100%. Then they killed a similar amount, because they beat a Kurdish woman to death for not wearing a hijab. Last year, a wave of gas attacks on girls schools happened and the government looked the other way.
Mossadegh would have led Iran to a better future. Both the Shah and the IRI Ran It into the ground.
The biggest amount of suffering is because of the western imposed sanctions on Iran
Nope. 99% of the suffering is because of the Supreme Dictator
Your are supporting another regime change like the previous Shah which only serves Western purposes.
Nope. I want Iran to be able to chose their own leaders. To be thinking that Iranians aren’t good enough people to deserve freedom and basic human rights sounds a bit racist to me.
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You can thank the US and France for the current Iranian regime.
Why do you think you have the right to dictate what form of government they have?
Because we think killing women and queers just because they exist is a big no no.
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Have you any idea on the internal situation in Iran? Talk to any Iranian, you will learn of things. Even before the western sanctions the people suffered. This idea of us vs them crap and everything is solely the fault of western influence is insulting to anyone from the region.
I don’t think the practice of shooting shotguns into crowds from rooftops was something caused by western sanctions for example.
Absolutely not. Iranians are celebrating the death of some of those killed in the strike.
Israelis are celebrating the Iranian strikes on Tel Aviv.
This is you.
No, I mean their literally celebrating that some of the fuckers were killed who contributed to repressing the hijab protests
Go to YouTube and search any video about Iran and watch it. Check what women are wearing. Come back then.
Ask any Iranian woman. Jina got beaten to death for not wearing her veil correctly.
They said what you are saying is false. And so does literally every video on Youtube of Iran.
“I’m no Nazi Germany supporter, but fuck the British Empire. I hope the British can at least get a regime change out of this. Death to the King and to all the British leadership. I hope they all become beef Wellington”
- bzz after the battle of Dunkirk.
WTF LMFAO. Iran is way closer to Nazi Germany than the British under Churchill which it doesn’t resemble in any way.
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Churchill the man behind the Bengal famine? The man who denied Palestinian sovereignty? That Churchill?
Yeah, but he was a white westerner, and to the rascist liberals on .world, that makes him a good guy.
Bc hindsight is 20/20 and you morons look at history through a modern lense. Everything always sucked for everyone except a few straight passing lightest skinned born in the right families men for 10k years.
Least incoherent Churchill defender.
I think you downvoted me but acknowledge I make sense? Well if you think make sense, perhaps consider actually heeding the advice to look through the world with different contextual lenses
Israel is Nazi Germany in the analogy.
Let them both be nazi, don’t argue that. Btw, nazi=bad is ina way trivializing the situation. Let’s held each state accountable of their own crimes.
Could you actually read the comment I was replying to before diving in?
Oh, I only meant to add to the ongoing full thread…
well you comment doesn’t really make sense in context of the full thread.
So israel has free reign to continue genocide,ethenic cleansing and opressing palestinian?
I don’t like the iranian regime. I hope israel stop it terrorism and agression then iranian change the regime by themselves
Nobody said that.
Everybody saying it or not don’t change that it’s a fact what israel real intention is
So why are you putting words in other people’s mouths? So you have something to argue against that wasn’t even brought up earlier?
I didn’t put anything to your mouth. I just repeated what you say with different words
Also known as putting words into people’s mouths.
Shocking. Who’d have guessed that this could happen?
Esh
As always, the article primarily gives the view as seen from Israel, Tel Aviv; But where is the view from Iran?
There’s videos from both sides all over the internet what are you talking about
it seems to me as if we’re mostly seeing videos about Israel getting hit in the news.
That matters because it distorts public perception: It makes it seem as if mean Iran is bombing Israel, while in fact it is also true that Israel is bombing Iran. It’s about proportional reporting of facts.
The first video I saw on reddit was of Iranian fire fighters at that apartment building helping out
You can’t get a good view of the bombing of Tel Aviv all the way from Iran.
You haven’t seen people singing from their balconies during the night time: “death to khamenei!”, have you?
That’s the view from Iran. Do you accept the reality though… 💁
Yes. Iranians hate their government and want regime change, it’s dubious wether this will help. Most likely it will be used by the regime for more crackdowns and cheap propaganda.
It is dubious wether bombing from afar can even achieve the stated goal (stopping the nuclear program). Hoping it will somehow magically bring about regime change is a stretch.
The bombing campaign will do absolutely nothing to topple the regime. Israel has now hit orphanages and residential areas.
Israel has now hit orphanages
In Iran? I haven’t seen any other claims of this, but if true that is like actual stereotypical comicbook supervillain behavior.
You’re downvoted but you’re correct. Iranians hate their government (rightfully so, it’s a repressive religious extremist police state) and will hopefully use the chance of a weakened Khamenei to finally overthrow the mullahs.
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I just hope Israel’s policy of not caring about collateral damage doesn’t backfire here. They may hate their leaders, but seeing family and friends killed will solidify them against Israel.
One wonders if that’s the intention, like with Gaza and Hamas, people are driven to extremism by extreme circumstances and Israel at every step stopped anything but hamas from power to help themselves.
Israel killing civilians will not make iranians turn against the regime Even gaza with a lot more desperate people the protests against hamas are very low
The people already hate this regime.
No matter how much they hate the oppressive regime , a state that is known for genocide and killing civilians and be proud about it bombing them will not make them change the regime.
That’s the first coherent take you had so far.
I don’t give a damn what a random user like you think of my responses
Probably Tehran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVZ_I-bmVCw
More available if you go looking.
I didn’t see any interceptions. Just flak going off hitting nothing but air.
The title suggest that Israel’s bombing in the first place was New Hope?
what do you think they were hoping for?
Oh man it’s gonna be a good day when Israel falls.
This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.
I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran’s, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.
Rant in agreement, not directed at you: I got banned from /c/progressivepolitics for sharing a dozen reputable links with the most obvious history of Iran in the last 50 years. Fuck Iran. Fuck their government. Fuck bigotry. Fuck classsism. And fuck you antisemites looking for any enemy of the Jews to cheer on. You’re transparent, full of shit and argue in bad faith. Best case this place is flooded with Russian bots. You know, the ones pushing the Ukraine with the Jewish leader are the Nazis, Russians? And now the Jews, who Russians fucking adore, are the Nazis everywhere. Jfc. Clearly Israel’s regime and Likud are fucking deplorable. Don’t pretend you care about Palestinians more than an excuse to pipe up about the Jews. I fucking hate this site. I think I’m done. Siding with fucking Iran?!?! On anything?! The West should fucking level their nuclear infrastructure and pull a Nicaragua on their government if Israel doesn’t succeed first. Fuck that shithole terrorist funding country. Bc we care about rehoming all the exiled Persians, right? Bc the migrants? Right? Bc we care about them no matter where they’re from, right? So women can wear bikinis and get doctorates, right? So people can be gay and practice the religion they want, right? Disingenuous bullshit motherfuckers on here. Rot in hell you Nazi tanky bootlicking fucks and fuck you fake leftist preachy privileged little shits. Iran is not good. They have lots of enemies that are as shitty as them, but only the Jews getting you cheering for Iran. Read a fucking history book or a fucking news article from literally less than a year ago, and see who you’re cheering, you ignorant cunts.
I feel ya.
All empires eventually collapse, and an empire is like a large cake, most easily diminished at the edges. Israel will fall sooner or later, like the Crusader states and like French colonization in Algeria. It took 198 years for the Crusader states to fall, 132 years for Algeria to be liberated from brutal French colonialism. We may all be long dead when it happens but it will happen.
This website
You realize Lemmy is a network of federated servers right? Like, I’m not on the same website as you but you’re reading my message.
A lot of people don’t, they just know it’s where to go when you get fed up with reddit
I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn’t Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel’s active personnel? Iirc they’re one of the largest armies in ME.
Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they’re still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.
Perhaps this map will help:
To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!
The puppet regimes of Jordan and Egypt won’t last forever. When they fall, the settlers will find themselves up against over 200 million Arabs in their immediate vicinity.
Iran’s standing forces are kind of irrelevant without a way to get them to Israel.
The regime will only have a chance to fsll if israel is the one sending on ground troops
Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.
The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran’s nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.
The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.
Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.
And by “bullying anyone” you mean active countermeasures against the party, which FOR YEARS has been suggesting to wipe the country off the globe, and was aiming to create nuclear weapons just for that.
How “convenient” of you to skip the public death wishes before being neutralized. 💁
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Iran has 82 million inhabitants.
The amount of people willing to die for this regime is much much smaller. 16% are Azerí, 10% Kurds and 2% Balochi, all groups who would rather die than fight for the IRI. Not that this would stop the IRI from pressing 15 year olds into service, but there wouldn’t be many volunteers.
They don’t have to like the Iranian government to want to fight against Israel attacking them
You are delusional that most iranians won’t defend their country just because the regime is evil
Just listed you 3 major groups who do not see themselves as Iranian, because the country doesn’t do that either.
The Supreme Leader is Azeri though.
Yes sure they will side with Israel literally indiscriminately killing Iranians regardless on how they feel about the Iranian nationality . This is so stupid
This isn’t about siding with anyone. You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said the majority would not take up arms, I said there are groups who are ikely not to pick up arms.
There is no Iranian nationality, there is a core of Persian Iranians, who are considered the only Iranians and then there are peripheral groups. Those groups neither feel Iranian, nor do they like the central government.
true. there was almost certainly a lot of inside help getting attack drones near the sites hit on Friday.
There was aways collaborators and traitors in every war and conflict
By comparison, a large amount of Israelis are ultra-religious nutjobs that refuse to join their army. And of course many of them have european and american passports and houses in the west to flee to. Colonialism pays. Iran has the right on their side, their people will certainly put their backs into it to a greater degree than Israel.
1M dead
That is an extremely implausible number. Where in the world did you hear it?
Ukraine regularly reports Russian casualties and destroyed equipment. The Russian casualty number ticked over 1M a few days ago. I’m guessing ‘casualty’ got lost in translation at some point and turned into ‘killed’. I do see people making this mistake a lot with casualties, which is both killed and wounded.
You can’t believe any side 100% when it come to casualities
So the source is Ukraine? That does not seem like a particularly reliable source for this, particularly given some of the impossibly high numbers present on that graph.
You can’t trust any number when it come to conflicts but will minimize the number of their casualities and overexageratr thr casuality of the other side
They didn’t say Iran was going to singlehandedly do it
Realistically, it well be climate change that does them in, not a military conflict.
It’s not just their total disconnect from history (were they born yesterday?), it’s their translating scorn for Israel’s actions in the region to mean that Israel’s opponents must be the good guys.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years. Just because the Shah was bad doesn’t make the Ayatollahs good.
Hamas and Hezbollah are literally terrorist organizations, and Hamas holds onto power in Gaza by oppression and violence. If they both weren’t getting massive support from Iran, there might be a negotiating partner for Israel in Palestine like Arafat was.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Maybe Iran has an interest in helping Russia because of shit like this: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/
Nelson Mandela was literally a terrorist too.
Israel is literally a terrorist country.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years.
And to gain that control, they blatantly lied in 1979 and told everyone they supported democracy and would not be involved in government. They KNEW that people wanted freedom and democracy and so they just lied about it to gain control.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
One good thing about this is that Iran will have much fewer drones left to give to Putin to kill Ukranians.
Russia assembles the Iranian-designed drones locally
“terrorist organizations” by the designation of countries who currently commit or support the committment of genocide. Of course states and their militaries committing acts of terror somehow don’t end in a designation as “terrorist organizations”
Meanwhile Israel is arming gangs with ISIS ties in Gaza to pillage humanitarian aid, while the Hamas “terrorists” try to defend that aid.
However none of the states that designate Hamas as “terrorist organization” will give Israel consequences for being a “terrorist supporter” despite arming “terrorists” with ISIS ties. ISIS that has committed terror attacks in the countries allied to Israel, which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have done.
literal terrorist
Yeah that isn’t the flex you think it is
Maybe you can explain what you thought the flex was.
I don’t debate Zionists, they don’t argue in good faith.
Hypocrisy suits you.
Hypocrisy is supporting terrorist Israel
Yeah the entire discourse about this conflict here is even more stupider than on reddit
I don’t believe anyone is saying Iran is capable of doing it, just that it’d be a good day when it finally does happen.
Israel has all the best toys from their sugar-daddy America. Of course a handful of out-dated Iranian drones won’t do shit.
In the last 24 hours I had the pleasure of interacting with multiple users who are 100% sure Iran is stronger than Israel.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website.
Which social website do you know that is all facts and no feelings, please tell me, I wanna move there. And make it decentralized too, so no bozo can buy it tomorrow and make it shit too.
PS: got some quotes from reddit that show what people who think just like you think of other websites:
DigitalDash56 [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
Twitter is funny. Apparently Tel Aviv is smoldering crater and the state of Israel is a mere hours from collapsing
[–]tigernike1 [score hidden] a minute ago
That’s what Reddit says about Iran. Neither are true.
Look man, people just want to experience a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world. We don’t care if it is realistic or not. It keeps hope alive.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world.
Well if the dictatorship is overthrown in Iran, that would be fantastically great. If Israel also gets rid of its terrible PM, that would be good too. Maybe both the people of Iran and Israel can both come out winners.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
How can any change happen if there is only a limited willingness to perveive reality and analyze it?
By allowing people to relieve some stress and engage in a little revolutionary optimism every now and then, even if it is far fetched and not realistic, so that people can retain their mental health and remember what it feels like to actually have hope about something in this shithole of a world we find ourselves.
You can’t change anything if you don’t have hope for a brighter future. This builds hope, even if it has to reach for it.
Not everything at every waking moment needs to be analyzed in depth. At this current moment, none of us could affect the outcome of this situation anyway, so let people fantasize.
Magical thinking won’t save us.
Never said it would, but neither will you being a wet blanket to people who are just trying to make the best of a shit situation that they cannot affect in any materially significant way at this current moment.
And FYI, that “magical thinking”, does help bring change. A movement without hope is a movement that is doomed to fail. Look up “revolutionary optimism” and its importance for keeping up morale.
The easiest way to break an army is to break their spirits. If yours is already broken, then you are no help to anyone.
it’s an excuse for extremists to indulge conspiracy fantasies and hate jews openly
You don’t have to be an extremist to hate them…
Fuck Israel.
Its crazy right? I’m so tired of reddit alternatives being taken over by lunatics. So tired man.
Plenty of lunatics on Reddit though too.
Go back to r/worldnews
Said the one supporting a terrorist state oppresing palestinians for 57 years
I don’t support Israel you absolute weirdo.
Yeh sure israel suppoter
You fail to realize all of the countries Israel has been attacking working together, like how Germany fell. It’s just a matter of time.
Anyways. You’re free to leave.
Oh sure, Iran is super popular in the region. I’m sure all their allies will be riding to their defense any day now.
Oh don’t get me wrong. Fuck Iran. But fuck Israel too. They have been attacking everybody around them.
The only valid critisism of iran is the regime oppresing it’s people. Iran did nothing wrong to other
To whom?
To all of their victims.
I doubt they can beat the US, but I hope Iran wins.
Terrorists like Israel need to be eliminated.
The only way that “Iran” can win is if/when the people overthrow the Supreme Dictator
Lemmy straight up cheering theocratic terrorists
Israel, Iran, or the US?
Yes.
The Iranian regime is fucking awful, the Israeli one is just even more awful such that Iran still seem like the good guys in comparison. Its like two assholes fighting, they’re both assholes but one clearly started it.
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Most likely a fucking idiot.
Yeah it’s crazy how just last year Iranian girls were being raped the Iran’s government and now these trolls are acting as if Iran is better than Israel lmao.
Israel been raping palestinians girls since it’s creation
Genocide denier
Brainwashed dumb fuck
We’re not cheering for Israel
Lol you’re going to have to be more specific than that, it just sounds like you don’t like Muslims
it seems to me you don’t like jews
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The food. The actual people, I lived in Saudi Arabia for a couple years, you let the media feed you weird lies about brown people and it shows
I’d rather prefer both sides losing.
And then a proper democratic revolution on both sides again.
Yes please! I can’t stand either regime.
Only both of those? Shouldn’t the united snake and china both lose too?
Now do Russia and Ukraine
Do you really want Iran to have nukes though?
Just because Israel are horrible, doesn’t automatically make the people they’re fighting the good guys.
Do you really want Iran to have nukes though?
Iran has the right to defend themselves. Without nukes, they’re going to end up like Iraq, Libya, or the countless other countries that Israel and the US felt like destroying. They’re champing at the bit to smash Iran to pieces and it’s not going to stop at limiting nuclear capabilities.
Honestly no but if I lived in a country or bloc without nukes myself I’d want my government to get them because its the only way to not get randomly regime changed whenever the US, UK or Russia feels like it. Totally understandable why they would want them.
Was Iran actually producing nuclear weapons?
Haleu fuel is pretty common that’s enriched up to about 20%. Highly enriched fuel is still used for nuclear power on aircraft carriers that use 93% enriched U235.
Iran is definitely just trying to make weapons but wanted to at least give some examples of higher enriched fuels
Being that we know Iran sells weapons to Russia, I wonder where it would be cheaper to produce weapons. Would it be cheaper for Russia to pay to have certain things created elsewhere or in Russia. We know a lot of Russia’s weapons in the past were built in what now is Ukraine. Examples would be their Aircraft Carriers, destroyers, etc. Hell one of their main Aircraft Carriers was named Kiev
Every credible comment I’ve read says they’re in the process of developing them, the only group who says otherwise is Iran themselves.
They havent been in the process of developing them. They have been enriching Uranium to the level needed for developing a nuclear weapon.
Iran has always been “close” to develop nuclear weapons over the past years, to ensure that it can do so to defend itself in the case of an attack. Now with Israels unprecedented attack, it is more likely that Iran sees the need to actually develop a nuke to protect its existence.
Israel knows this and keeps pushing to quickly get the US involved beyond a point of no return and fight the war against Iran for them.
They have been enriching Uranium to the level needed for developing a nuclear weapon.
Isn’t that part of the process though?
It is a prerequirement.
If you produce thick steel sheets, that is a requirement to build tanks, but it doesnt mean you are building tanks.
Now if you start welding those sheets together in a tank shape, while making all the other stuff that you find in a tank, now you are building a tank.
So if Iran starts building specific parts for nukes and processing the enriched Uranium in a way that is suitable for making a warhead, that would be building a nuke.
So if Iran starts building specific parts for nukes and processing the enriched Uranium in a way that is suitable for making a warhead, that would be building a nuke.
Which is precisely what they’re doing, unless you actually believe they want that level of enrichment for a power plant.
Israels attack follows a report from the IEAE stating that Iran has likely started the race to a bomb. They (Iran) have also recently expelled UN oversight from their enrichment sites.
I’m not defending Israel but what does that look like to you? Sure seems like for some people their hatred for Israel is clouding their objective judgement.
Israels attack follows a report from the IEAE
And that report follows a document leak showing the IEAE actively passing on confidential reports from Iran directly to Israel.
From all available intelligence, no. They clearly have a nuclear weapons program (which are insanely huge to begin with) but there has never been a measured test, and no evidence of enriched uranium at a high enough purity to be weaponized.
It’s insanely hard work to created weaponized enriched uranium. With the sanctions Iran has had for decades it would be next to impossible for them to get all the stuff they need to create it on their own.
Funny how liberals never say this about Ukraine and Russia. It’s only when non-whites fight back that they start bloviating about “both sides bad”
Funny how tankies always think “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. They have no capacity for nuance.
All your comments ahow that you have no nuance either
Feel free to call out these comments when you encounter them and provide nuance. I will keep trying to do the same :)
Sorry i mistaken you for another user
Sure, right here, where you’ve displayed no nuance at all.
Fair! I was following your example though :)
Well I never said that, so you’re just straw-manning because you can’t address what I actually said.
And again, funny how this “capacity for nuance” didn’t come out for Ukraine, only for the non-white country. Almost like liberals are ultimately just white supremacists.
“non-whites fight back” is an interesting way to describe the fucked up, nuke happy, Ayatollah regime that’s plaguing Iran.
It’s only when non-whites fight back that they start bloviating about “both sides bad”
To be thinking that Iranians aren’t good enough to deserve human rights and democracy because they aren’t western/white sounds racist.
The human right of being carpet bombed by a genocidal ethnostate…
Imagine thinking this was remotely similar to Ukraine and Russia.
Don’t worry, I understand that - while it may seems to be an analogous situation on the surface - Ukraine a White country and Iran is not, and to Western liberals, that makes all the difference in the world.
Ukraine a White country and Iran is not
And yet Iran is literally where the “Aryians” originated who were idolized by Hitler.
, and to Western liberals, that makes all the difference in the world.
Here is the actual thing that makes all the difference in the world. It would be racist to think that Iranians don’t deserve human rights and freedom, which implies they aren’t as good as people in the west.
Russia, Iran - dictatorships.
Ukraine - democracy
Israel - democracy (but moving away)
The fact that you consider Israel a democracy when it denies millions of its subjects, not just the right to vote, but all rights at all, further demonstrates that you’re just a white supremacist.
Hasn’t Iran a religious edict stating they cannot build or use nukes? We could be in a iraki WMD phase again (expecting Powell’s jar to appear any moment now).
Most definitely. I want every country on Earth to have their own nuclear weapons. It’s the ultimate deterrent.
You want 195 countries to have nukes?
Then, it’s just a matter of time until a bug in some software or a crazy leader that was or wasn’t elected lead to the worst case.
Crazy leaders like netenysho and trump have them
And that’s a reason to give them to 193 other potential crazy leaders, too?
Either that or all country get rid of their nuclear weapons
Either we kill our species or we complete an almost impossible task…?
That is acceptable. Either we’ll enter great times, or we will no longer be capable of understanding what good times are. Both sound good to me.
Browsing Lemmy feels more and more like listening to people in a crack house discussing global politics.
To be fair, I only comment when I’m feeling sleepy.
Please stop ad go sleep instead.
If the country who drop two has it, why not?
Give me whatever it is you’re smoking cause it’s probably a helluva drug.
given how the US lost so many recent wars, I wouldn’t consider the US a military power.
they are great at funneling taxpayer money to shareholders pockets. but they can’t win against the protest people in the world.
they invade, try to set up a puppet state, then leave with the tail between their legs.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
Ironically, many have tried (so now we know the result. And the proverb)…
This. People don’t like it when I say the US is a Paper Tiger. uS power doesn’t come from its military strength but from its economic strength.
If pushed hard, it would crumble. The only reason the US has military bases all over is to scare those countries into submission to exploit their workforce. Yet, all those bases are fucking expensive to just maintain. If those countries resisted, then the US loses its economic strength gained from their exploitation, and its military crumbles when it cannot afford to satisfy both it’s military contracts and maintain its presence abroad.
Not to mention the internal turmoil when the citizens experience the affects on society when the oligarchy can’t subsidize the consumerist lifestyle anymore. Thought that’s happening already thanks to the imperial boomerang.
you taught me the term “paper tiger” thanks.
You are welcome, prehistoric arthropod from the Cambrian period.
It’s really hard to think china won’t intervene for economical interests
Israel is the US
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iran has the right to get fucked.
Ya, this is one of those times where I’m hoping they both lose. Both leaders houses and their entire cabinets get bombed to rubble while the innocent civilians evade all damage.
I hope america lose
We both know it’ll be residential areas Israel targets. They already blew up a residential area in Tehran in their first attack.
so where did the rockets from iran go down last night?
Israel is using human shield
From the river to the sea.
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This is like seeing Ukraine striking Russia and saying we should nuke all the Eastern Europe.
Tbf we could use it
