He’s super kind. A tad emotional at times, but not angry.
Also the Irish kid blowing up things is from the movies, not from the books.
anyone who pushes against the natural order is wrong
I mean I get where you’re coming from, I’ve always been bothered by the whole premise of “lol if the muggles knew we had magic they want us to help them so we can’t tell them” and just how unrealistic it would be to be able to keep such a thing a secret, especially when it’s canon and central to the story even that sometimes muggle families have a magical kid, and it can even be just one of siblings. Tweeners are so bad at keeping secrets. Imagine that you’re in a regular school and have regular friends until you’re 11 and then just vanish from their lives or somehow manage to still see them but… you won’t tell them you’re actually magic? Anything about what you’re studying, where your school is, etc etc? Right.
However we can’t deny that within that world the deatheaters are clearly even more racist and evil, and that the main characters fight against them.
Anyway Rowling is batshit nowadays I’m not defending her but I found your criticism factually inaccurate at those small parts so…
It is kinda silly how the wizarding society treats elves, but also it’s not as crazy diegetically, because the crazy author has written the story in the way that the house-elves actually do pretty much crave it. Which in itself is kinda… ew, but it’s not as offensive as it sounds, imo, as the starting concept, seeing as she was probably taking inspiration of mythical house elves, and those are sort of a more respectful concept, but clearly where JKR has drawn from.
The early house elves were by no means merely benevolent figures. The elf was believed to observe the life of the household very closely and judgementally. If the household members did not live in a well-behaved and diligent manner, the easily irritated elf could remind them of his existence, for example by causing a disturbance similar to haunting. At worst, the elf could leave the ill-mannered house altogether, taking happiness away from the house.
Christmas was an important celebration for house elves. On Christmas night, people would prepare a plate of porridge for the elf and put it where the elf was known to live, such as the sauna, barn, stable or attic. It was also customary to leave food for elves at the Christmas table for Christmas night.
No, Hagrid is a very angry person. He just angry on behalf of the MC most of the time, so we’re routing for him. I found it weird how quickly a grown adult was to attack a child despite not really knowing them or being a threat. If it were an illusion or temporary spell Hagrid used on Dudley, it would be a little different, but he needed an operation to get fixed.
Also the Irish kid blowing up things is from the movies, not from the books.
Still has her name on it. Also, that floor in the bank in the movie wasn’t a good look when you’re already under criticism for the goblins for being a Jewish metaphor.
“they wouldn’t know what to do with freedom”
That’s a line straight out of the anti-abolitionist in America and many, many other places that have slavery or caste systems. Harry Potter kept almost being interesting and I had assumed that the story line would go somewhere before dropping for other reasons. I was pretty surprised when Hermione’s SPEW just fizzled out. I really should have know with a name like that.
If the house elves worked like where she supposedly got inspiration form, they’d be far, far more interesting. Like I said, Harry Potter is one of those stories that kept almost being interesting.
That’s a line straight out of the anti-abolitionist in America and many, many other places that have slavery or caste systems
My point exactly. It’s dehumanising to assume anyone is “born to serve” or some shit like that, but in the books, that’s basically what the elves are. Like it’s not just that the people are saying that, they’re actually magical entities formed from the house. Kinda like dementors are just formed from murderous anger and hostility and all things bad. That’s my point; if you buy into the assumption that such things can be born out of notions or ideas, then it would sort of make sense to have creatures which are so dedicated to house-work. Perhaps the reason I find it easy to understand is because of the Finnish lore about house elves I heard long before ever reading JKR.
The bit I pasted isn’t all the myth there is and they’re not always feared as such. I think there could be way more respect allowed to them in the wizarding world, seeing how powerful they actually are. It would’ve been much cooler for them to have like “risky” servants in the sense that unless they’re allowed the proper respect and protocol and whatnot, they’ll make anyone’s life hell. Like a nasty but very proper matron, who you wouldn’t want to piss off and even the lord of the house would make sure to clean mud off his shoes before coming in to avoid a bollocking.
Yeah, it kept almost being interesting, but as I first read it when it was actually coming out and we had no idea of JKR’s budding insanity (honestly, we got to admit that most artists are kinda crazy, so that’s unsurprising, she’s just crazy in a really toxic way that’s harmful to others) I was around 14 years old so back then I looked at it quite differently. Basically I aged the same time as the characters did, and it was a nice escape.
But yeah, there’s definitely much that could be done with it. I honestly would like to see like a Harry Potter universe version of a show like “Andor”. Like super gritty and political compared to the originals, and mainly not written by the original author, but just using the setting. Like get some of the original cast back and see Daniel Radcliffe actually hunting dark wizards in his thirties. Some non-terf people to write the show, actually good writing, R-rating. I’d watch the shit out of that.
edit also you’ve not convinced me hagrid is an angry person just because he did a little bit of magic on Dudley
How is Hagrid an angry person?
He’s super kind. A tad emotional at times, but not angry.
Also the Irish kid blowing up things is from the movies, not from the books.
I mean I get where you’re coming from, I’ve always been bothered by the whole premise of “lol if the muggles knew we had magic they want us to help them so we can’t tell them” and just how unrealistic it would be to be able to keep such a thing a secret, especially when it’s canon and central to the story even that sometimes muggle families have a magical kid, and it can even be just one of siblings. Tweeners are so bad at keeping secrets. Imagine that you’re in a regular school and have regular friends until you’re 11 and then just vanish from their lives or somehow manage to still see them but… you won’t tell them you’re actually magic? Anything about what you’re studying, where your school is, etc etc? Right.
However we can’t deny that within that world the deatheaters are clearly even more racist and evil, and that the main characters fight against them.
Anyway Rowling is batshit nowadays I’m not defending her but I found your criticism factually inaccurate at those small parts so…
It is kinda silly how the wizarding society treats elves, but also it’s not as crazy diegetically, because the crazy author has written the story in the way that the house-elves actually do pretty much crave it. Which in itself is kinda… ew, but it’s not as offensive as it sounds, imo, as the starting concept, seeing as she was probably taking inspiration of mythical house elves, and those are sort of a more respectful concept, but clearly where JKR has drawn from.
https://www.kansallismuseo.fi/en/items-of-the-month/2022/tontut
That’s Finnish folklore, not JKR’s writings. I’ve left out food for tonttus as a kid.
No, Hagrid is a very angry person. He just angry on behalf of the MC most of the time, so we’re routing for him. I found it weird how quickly a grown adult was to attack a child despite not really knowing them or being a threat. If it were an illusion or temporary spell Hagrid used on Dudley, it would be a little different, but he needed an operation to get fixed.
Still has her name on it. Also, that floor in the bank in the movie wasn’t a good look when you’re already under criticism for the goblins for being a Jewish metaphor.
That’s a line straight out of the anti-abolitionist in America and many, many other places that have slavery or caste systems. Harry Potter kept almost being interesting and I had assumed that the story line would go somewhere before dropping for other reasons. I was pretty surprised when Hermione’s SPEW just fizzled out. I really should have know with a name like that.
If the house elves worked like where she supposedly got inspiration form, they’d be far, far more interesting. Like I said, Harry Potter is one of those stories that kept almost being interesting.
My point exactly. It’s dehumanising to assume anyone is “born to serve” or some shit like that, but in the books, that’s basically what the elves are. Like it’s not just that the people are saying that, they’re actually magical entities formed from the house. Kinda like dementors are just formed from murderous anger and hostility and all things bad. That’s my point; if you buy into the assumption that such things can be born out of notions or ideas, then it would sort of make sense to have creatures which are so dedicated to house-work. Perhaps the reason I find it easy to understand is because of the Finnish lore about house elves I heard long before ever reading JKR.
The bit I pasted isn’t all the myth there is and they’re not always feared as such. I think there could be way more respect allowed to them in the wizarding world, seeing how powerful they actually are. It would’ve been much cooler for them to have like “risky” servants in the sense that unless they’re allowed the proper respect and protocol and whatnot, they’ll make anyone’s life hell. Like a nasty but very proper matron, who you wouldn’t want to piss off and even the lord of the house would make sure to clean mud off his shoes before coming in to avoid a bollocking.
Yeah, it kept almost being interesting, but as I first read it when it was actually coming out and we had no idea of JKR’s budding insanity (honestly, we got to admit that most artists are kinda crazy, so that’s unsurprising, she’s just crazy in a really toxic way that’s harmful to others) I was around 14 years old so back then I looked at it quite differently. Basically I aged the same time as the characters did, and it was a nice escape.
But yeah, there’s definitely much that could be done with it. I honestly would like to see like a Harry Potter universe version of a show like “Andor”. Like super gritty and political compared to the originals, and mainly not written by the original author, but just using the setting. Like get some of the original cast back and see Daniel Radcliffe actually hunting dark wizards in his thirties. Some non-terf people to write the show, actually good writing, R-rating. I’d watch the shit out of that.
edit also you’ve not convinced me hagrid is an angry person just because he did a little bit of magic on Dudley