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    The problem is, it is very hard to trust the same people who are actively committing genocide live in front of the world then tell you “this is not a genocide”

    It is also hard to believe nytimes who lied about Iraq war to advance white house agenda.

    People who dont care about live on the internet genocide should keep their opinion about the world to themselves

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        They mean “live on the internet” as in happening in real time AKA live streamed.

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          It’s a grammatical mess and hard to tell what they’re actually trying to say. Apparently though, asking for clarification in a sarcastic way was deemed too uncivil.

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    It was wrong when the West did it, and it’s wrong when China does it. And it’s wrong that it’s a fact that this statement is somehow controversial.

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      America is gearing up to put illegals, brown people, women who don’t want kids/women who believe in women’s right to choose, and the LGBTQ+ in slave labor camps.

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        A lot of the immigrant labor has been at least slave-like for decades too. Under constant threat of deportation on their “employer’s” whim. Fairly common for “employers” to take documented worker’s documentation to hold them hostage. Reports of some farmers housing and working workers fenced-in, having them working under gunpoint. Some farmers have been caught buying and selling immigrants amongst each-other. I remember a report of a meatpacking plant calling ICE on its own employees to have them deported after they started asking for better treatment, then just hiring more immigrants to replace them. Hell, I even remember near where I grew up, you could see the shed-like shacks from the road on one farm where they kept the migrant workers; no electricity, didn’t look like they had any running water either.

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        Yep. And their action doesn’t justify or excuse China’s or vice versa. It’s bad regardless who’s doing it.

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          Not my point. We act so high and mighty while a literally rapist is in the white house and is talking about needing more babies for labor… We are speed larping the Handmaids Tale but the DM can only read at a fifth grade level.

          Edit: we as a society seem to envy China but want to do it our way… The white male Christian way… That’s my point.

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      this statement is somehow controversial.

      Here? No. On ml? Enjoy your ban you westoid scum!

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        The CCP acts like just because the state owns major enterprises then the workers - through the state - own the means of production. That doesn’t hold up when the state does not adequately represent the will of the workers. Never is this contradiction more clear than when the Chinese state suppresses workers’ attempts to organize on their own terms.

        China is communist in the same way that the US is democratic, which is to say that it’s a sham to keep up appearances that is suspended when convenient for the few who hold real power.

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          I am happy to criticise the US system at any point, but the notion that it’s a democracy only on paper is a misrepresentation of reality.

          They managed to vote Trump out of office, and back in. Something that wouldn’t have been possible if it were not a democracy.

          Now the system of course has loads of difficulties and is suffering from extreme economic inequality, that leads to an immense influence of rich people over the undereducated masses, but they still have to spend their money for massive propaganda campaigns to win votes for their side, so the fundamental processes are still democratic.

          We’re gonna see if that remains the case by the end of Trump’s second term, though.

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          Your post would be just as valid without the last paragraph.

          The other point I would add is it is hard to be socialist if you have a stock market and investment banking.

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      One of the biggest propaganda wins the ruling class ever had was to portray having a job as something good that we should be thankful for.

      Having an income is good, having a job is merely the cost of having an income. Having a job against your will is literally slavery/forced labour.

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        i agree with that sentiment, but that isnt any different from the rest of the planet

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          Says the person who most likely isn’t sharing a bed room with 20 other people, in the same building as the factory. Yes, the world is shit, but don’t kid yourself if you got time to whine on the internet you’re an actual slave.

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      Your half truths have no power here.

      Having a job close to your family in a place you know and want to live AND work with salary, benefits and options to switch is not bad.

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        agreed, but most people don’t have that lol, especially when they originally live away from urban centers. the fuck you are talking about. you guys are the ones coming out with half truths and exaggerations.

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    I disagree with many of Trump’s policies, but his idea for tariff’s on Chinese goods is possibly a good one. There’s no way to get this stuff out of the supply chain. I’m terrified some of the things I bought from China are made with slave labor.

    How do I get slave labor out of my life?

    Up to 14 hours a day? That probably means 80 hours a week. I do 40 and that’s difficult. 80… With no choice… So awful!

    I don’t want to be a part of that.

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      Trump just wants to bring the same to America. The problem for him is not slave labor, it’s that America is not doing enough of it to be able to compete with China.

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      And how exactly is it better if the same goods are made by American slaves in American factories? Trump is literally on the side of those who want to get rid of regulations, minimum wages and pretty much everything else that protects workers and consumers.

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        Also, if you have any ideas how to opt out of funding genocide, please let me know.

        Taxes are taken out of my paycheck. I do not know how to ask my employer to reduce my taxes to zero.

        Even if i leave the country, which would be hard to do as a somewhat poor person, the government would still imprison me if i don’t pay them.

        I could become just a begger or someone who works illegally to avoid the taint.

        I’ve also thought of just checking out of this world because it’s so terrible.

        I’m not really sure what you think I should do instead. Is there a box to check to easily opt out of laboring for a government that thinks it owns me, that I didn’t ask to be a part of?

        Just becauze I think slave labor is awful and think a tax on Chinese goods to help stop slave labor is good doesn’t mean that I support what is going on in Gaza. This planet is awful sometimes. I am mostly poor. What should I do?

        I recognize it’s a genocide at this point and war crimes are occurring. I am not a powerful or rich person. What should I do?

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    If there is any mention of Adrian Zenz in any but negative light, whatever you are reading is dogshit or you haven’t read enough to see it being a joke. Right wing nutjob puppeteering whatever is the best for the CIA, unironically how can they not get a new guy for the job?

    Also the whole point is that Uyghur workers went to work somewhere else in a programming made specifically for that? This is just plain contract work, I don’t see any issue here?

    Overall, deeply unserious. Baffling how they can’t find someone new for the job

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      Americans just like to stroke their ego by demonizing China. Also shows americans ability to consider perspectives outside their own.

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    Y’know what? I don’t care. Maybe it’s happening, even in the dramatic worst-case way it’s portrayed here, but is that the biggest/only story in China? It feels sort of credibility-stretching that a country of 1.4 billion people and a top-two global economy is entirely cantilevered around the idea of oppressing a tiny minority in the rural corner of the country. I’m fairly certain there are at least nine people in China who can go an entire workday without contemplating how to wipe the Uighyurs off the map. Maybe as many as twelve!

    The US is no longer in any sort of moral leadership position to point fingers on human rights, if not for the last few decades, then certainly in its El Salvador phase. The only reason Western media remotely give a damn here is because they’re desperate to slap an asterisk next to the growth and real economic advancement of a country that promises to outpace them imminently.

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      I really don’t think that’s it. Slavery is disgusting, even if China has made great technological advacements or done great things. It’s completely fucking gross and many people want nothing to do with slavery. This isn’t about the US, it’s about slavery being bad.

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      So many words for “no u” whataboutism is so tired

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        Clearly too tired to read the whole post. Or are you too tired to deal with the reality of Americas foreign policy?

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          Too tired to read the Nth post saying " country B is doing worse than country A!"

          Doesn’t take away how shity country A is…

          Maybe the fact country A and country B have abandonned the idea that republics exist for the many to enjoy living in and not the few at the top can explain things.

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      Dude, you seem to have literally zero comments in your history with a positive score. Why even bother to keep writing comments? Do you just enjoy trolling?

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    New York is the de facto capital city of a literal slave empire who kidnaps people to foreign death camps so I’m thrilled to see what they’re reporting about China

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      You know it’s possible for multiple evils to exist, right? And sometimes they are also adversaries. Yes, the U.S. is evil. Yes, China is evil. Yes, Russia is evil. So in and so forth.

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        Classic case of whataboutism, it was a common “technique” very often used by the far-right in the 2015 US presidential elections

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        You know it’s possible for multiple evils to exist, right?

        What would you say about a newspaper that spread salacious rumors about a foreign country’s nuclear weapons program, months before the newspaper’s domestic government launched a full scale military invasion? What about a newspaper notorious for promoting narratives that have contributed to homophobia, racism, and moral panics aimed at religious minorities? Or a newspaper that had damning information about domestic leadership and deliberately covered it up until the end of an election cycle? A newspaper that regularly promoted the interests of its corporate sponsors ahead of the well-being of its readership? One that promoted misinformation in the middle of a pandemic? Or one that shamelessly promoted financial con-men in the middle of their most brazen acts of fraud?

        Is that evil?

        Yes, the U.S. is evil. Yes, China is evil.

        But we have to side with the US, because it is the lesser of two evils! So trust the NYT, uncritically. Again. In this new drum-beat towards war.

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            You don’t have to support any evil.

            That’s why I cancelled my subscription.

            Why is it a dichotomy to you?

            Because the article is arguing for further US sanctions on Chinese trade goods. If you’re telling your neighbors, at the point of a US gun, not to buy Chinese products then you’re 100% supporting one of these evil institutions.

            This becomes even more dire when you’re talking about blocking Chinese solar panels and wind turbines so that you can defend US coal plants and gas stations.

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              What? Not buying Chinese products is somehow evil? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Regardless of what the article is advocating for, it’s making a really crucial point about Uyghur slavery, which is fucking evil, and you’re choosing to ignore it

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                Not buying Chinese products is somehow evil?

                When you’ve boycotted the Uyghurs so you can buy all your goods from occupied Kashmir and the sweatshops of Indonesia and Bangledesh, you’re not buying ethically. You’re just buying into the propaganda.

                it’s making a really crucial point about Uyghur slavery

                Is it? Are we doing anything to raise wages, improve working conditions, or enforce ethical standards on imports at long last?

                Or is this just an effort to whip liberal support for Trump tariffs?

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                  Don’t try to make this about ethical consumption. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Most Americans don’t even KNOW about the Uyghurs in China. Literally any exposure this horrible situation is doing something.

                  I think I’ve just come to the conclusion that there is no way you’re going to concede the point that the Chinese are committing atrocious human rights violations, are you?

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              It what ways? By literally opposing both the U.S. AND China and recognize both of their complicity in massive human rights violations? Why are you trying to whataboutism this?

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                Sometimes I wonder why .ml people are so american pilled, its like they can not think of English speaking person from outside the us, let alone that most us think the us and their odd ways are bad.

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        “It’s suspicious that well known sink-pisser Larry is accusing Bob of pissing in the sink” is not whataboutism.

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      If China were less opaque and oppressive about how they went about things. Perhaps there would be reason to believe them. I know specific people who have been ditectly impacted by this. Your indoctrination doesn’t change that fact. It’s bad when anyone does it. Not just china. But it’s still bad when China does it.

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          Xinjiang is literally completely open to foreign tourism

          No it’s not, large parts of xinjiang require permits to visit, or are still completely blocked to outsiders.

          Also, there is plenty of evidence to verify that systemic abuse of minority rights has and still is occurring in China. You deny any of it is valid.

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          Again I know people directly impacted by this. And don’t appreciate your non sequiturs. Yes I’m sure anyone could go there and see what the government wants them to see. However it is undisputed, and well-known. That China opresses anyone they disagree with. Much like the Us government is doing. They both regularly disappear, jail, and harass advocates for democracy, or those who go against the unanswerable leadership.

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              And that’s exactly why No One Believes you. Or respects you. There are Chinese people calling this out plenty. It’s not some Western psyop. Or anything remotely like privileged, Western, campists, vanguard cosplayers pretend it is.

              I’d have a tiny modicum of respect for leninists if they could ever admit fault. But instead, every time, somehow it’s always the west that shit their pants while they were wearing them. What a joke.

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                “No one believes you” except for every muslim nation on earth lol. Go ahead, tell me about how they’re all corrupt/compromised and only the noble westerners really care about the plight of the Uighur, I could use a good laugh.

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                  Why would Islamic countries not condemn China? They certainly seem to condemn the genocide of the Palestinian people. Somebody please enlighten me.

                  Edit: According to Business Insider, they might fear China’s retaliation (e.g. economic vengeance). How reliant are these Islamic countries on exports from China and how reliant are these countries on China importing their resources (e.g. oil)?

                  Why would any of that matter when people of their religion are being genocided? Fear of retaliation from a nuclear-powered state and facing consequences in regards to western trade doesn’t seem to deter them from taking a stance on Palestine.

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              There is plenty of evidence widely available from organizations like human rights watch and amnesty international. Claims that deny any evidence exist of the persecution of China’s Muslim population rely on logical fallacies to attempt to obscure the validity of the body of evidence. Namely ad hominem attacks against the individual who first gathered the evidence to begin with.

              While the researcher obviously has biased opinions about the CCP, that doesn’t affect the validity of the evidence gathered, most of which comes directly from publicly available information released by the CCP itself, or from leaked internal communication from party members that have been widely verified by reputable journalists and organizations specializing in human rights violations.

              While I personally wouldn’t claim that there is a genocide as we traditionally understand it has occurred, it’s hard to deny that the Uyghur people aren’t being systemically oppressed or that significant human rights violations haven’t occurred.

              Simply looking at publicly available census data releases by the CCP we can tell that Uyghur people are being driven from culturally important sites that are being replaced by ethnically Han Chinese, and that Uyghur populations have been shrinking at a worryingly abnormal rate.

              If we look at recent history of ethnic conflict within China in tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia, I fail to see why it’s logical to assume that the accusations of crimes against humanity is pure propaganda.

              Han chauvinism is well documented, and even Mao Zedong spoke about how it would negatively affect the future of the party. Ethnic conflict/cleansing has been a constant in the region and is part of the foundational history of modern China.

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                There is not “plenty of evidence”, there are plenty of wild claims and unverifiable stories, about a country& region that is currently completely open to foreign tourism no less. You admit you don’t believe there’s a genocide occuring, yet still choose to believe the people/organizations making these claims despite the fact that all of them claim that a genocide is occuring. Han chauvinism existing does absolutely nothing to prove the specific accusations being presented. When a government chooses to target a minority population it invariably results in physical evidence, see Palestine for examples. The complete absence of any comparable evidence for this, coupled with the obvious motive for the US and their allies to disparage their greatest global competitor, and the documented history of false accusations used to justify our foreign policy, should be more than enough reason for any reasonable person to disregard these stories until such evidence is presented.

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                  There is not “plenty of evidence”, there are plenty of wild claims and unverifiable stories,

                  “Xinjiang is a vast region with an area of 1.66 million km2. Until the 1950s, Uyghurs were the majority ethnic group in the region, accounting for more than 90 percent of the total population.”

                  “Between the 1940s and the 1980s, attempts to incorporate the region into the modern Chinese national state brought about a 2,500 per cent increase in the Han population. Today, Han and Uyghurs each account for approximately 40 per cent of Xinjiang’s total population of roughly 25.5 million. Clearly, the basic trajectory over the past decades has been one of moving Han rapidly into the region. This is coupled in more recent years with a significant shrinking of the Uyghur population.”

                  “The Han population in the region increased at an average rate of 8.1 per cent yearly, from 5 per cent in 1947 to around 40 per cent in 2000. Officially, Uyghurs comprise about 45 percent of Xinjiang’s permanent population with Han representing approximately 42 percent, and Kazakh, Hui and other ethnicities making up the rest. However, these figures belie the very high number of long-term resident and temporary Han migrant workers as well as thousands of security personnel in Xinjiang. They also obscure data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, showing that between 2017 and 2019 the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China was 10.48 per thousand.”

                  “The capital of the province itself went from being a city in which there were hardly any Han Chinese before 1949 to one in which the Uyghurs have been almost completely displaced. In addition, across Xinjiang, urban redesign projects have demolished hundreds of thousands of homes and resettled millions of Uyghur residents on the pretext of ‘civilization’ (文明) and ‘beautification’ (美化).”

                  “Since the mid-1990s, the gradual exclusion of Uyghurs from state-based employment – and the rising number of private jobs – is statistically verifiable from a variety of sources. While Han Chinese were able to secure employment, Uyghurs were kept out of construction jobs, road-building projects and oil and gas pipelines. Uyghurs with graduate degrees were only employed at an estimated 15 per cent, and, according to a 2013 study, Uyghurs earned an average of 59 per cent of what their Han counterparts earned.”

                  Source from Minority Rights Group

                  about a country& region that is currently completely open to foreign tourism no less.

                  "While Xinjiang is generally open to international tourism, there are specific travel restrictions and measures in place, particularly for certain groups and areas. Generally, foreigners do not need a special permit to enter Xinjiang, but they do need a valid Chinese visa. However, there are restrictions on travel in specific areas, and increased security measures are common, especially in major cities. "

                  You admit you don’t believe there’s a genocide occuring, yet still choose to believe the people/organizations making these claims despite the fact that all of them claim that a genocide is occuring.

                  You can still massively suppress a minority group without committing what is commonly thought to be a genocide.

                  Just because I don’t completely agree with the conclusions made from a body of evidence doesn’t mean the evidence is invalid.

                  Han chauvinism existing does absolutely nothing to prove the specific accusations being presented. When a government chooses to target a minority population it invariably results in physical evidence, see Palestine for examples.

                  What accusations of mine are you denying?

                  As I said there is plenty of evidence to confirm that a minority group is being put into concentration camps for "reeducation " and that they are being forced to move away from their traditional homeland. This isn’t even being denied by the Chinese government, they just validate it as a way to control what they lable as terrorism.

                  The evidence I provided is sourced by an organization that also documents the crimes currently occuring in Gaza.

                  should be more than enough reason for any reasonable person to disregard these stories until such evidence is presented.

                  As I said, there’s plenty of evidence that’s been cross referenced and verified by dozens of advocacy groups who often stand against America’s foreign policy. Most of the evidence comes from internal documents created by the Chinese government itself.

                  I don’t have any specific prejudice against the Chinese government, it like any government does things that I agree with and disagree with. You on the other hand don’t seem to be able to get over your own biases.

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      I thought world being a psyop was just an inside joke but i suppose its true just openly posting western propaganda like this UGH

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        Its not so much a psyop as a majority of americans actually believe this shit. World is a huge circle jerk so thats why it happens.

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      It’s super suspect that western media suddenly cares about the rights of muslims in China, especially after they’ve spent there lay 20 years vilifying muslims in every other country in the world.

      It’s also not outside of the realm of possibility that China is dealing with religious extremism internally and sent interested in getting non Chinese opinions about the best way to do it.