Totally wrong on this one. Your rights end where others begin. Is it OK if a guy writes a song about torturing and killing you. You specifically. No? What about 3 songs? 10 songs?

There’s a very clear line in free speech. You are free to say what you wish WITH IN NORMAL PARAMETERS! Does this protect some hate speech, or what a targeted group might see as hate speech? A bit. But not the brazen stuff. You want to stand on a corner and talk about how the pope controls the weather? OK. You want to stand on a street corner and clearly call people to violence to harm Catholics and their property? No. That’s not free speech. You aren’t allowed to call people to violence.

Is praising Hitler, and other neo nazi garbage hate speech? Yes. It’s hate speech. There’s no Hitler that didn’t kill millions of people. There’s no nazi party that didn’t call people to action and violence. You don’t have the freedom to stand on a street corner and clearly make appeals to specific violence. That’s never been allowed.

Yep, so in Australia NSW police have been contacting Spotify/YouTube/etc with requests to delist certain songs from Sydney drill rap bands that glorify and promote gang violence against Spotify’s/Youtube’s/etcs policies, the streamers have in some cases agreed and delisted the music, in other cases they have not and the music remains. This is after the groups theyve had issues with (eg One-Four) have caused multiple riots and had several charges and convictions, so it’s arisen from a desire to serve public good. Only certain tracks have been targeted from what I can see, not whole albums or artist catalogs.

That’s a far cry from the government deciding what art people can or cannot listen to in my opinion. They have only asked some streaming platforms to adhere to their own policies, and then tbe platforms have made their own decisions on case by case basis.

Is there other actions I’m not aware of? The govt hasn’t passed any laws to block the sale of drill rap nor banned its play on radio etc?

The guy is once again professing his love for Hitler. This song is normalizing the Usage of Heil Hitler. How the fuck do you not see that?

Nah this is fucked, stop trying to be whatever this is.

I don’t know why this has to keep being repeated. It’s not hard.

Free speech does not mean you are entitled to have a private entity like a website host your content or speech.

He is welcome to sing this on the streets. He is welcome to publish this himself, be it hosted by a website he creates or in a physical medium.

He is not entitled to it being placed on retail shelves. He is not entitled to have it hosted on YouTube or Spotify.

This isn’t hard. The government of the United States has made absolutely no moves to silence this song. He can sing it and personally distribute it as much as he wants. But no one can be forced to distribute it for him

The government isn’t silencing him. Private entities are deciding not to support it. Forcing them to would be against free speech.

So we’re doing nazi apologism now?

We’re throwing ourselves toward an authoritarian and dystopian future.

Precisely why we must not allow the glorification of nazism to perpetuate.

Be the change you desire

That’s illegal.

You need to spend some time thinking on the (misnamed) “paradox of tolerance”. The idea you’re espousing is exactly the most critical, fundamental misunderstanding of tolerance as a moral value.

The “paradox of tolerance” is the idea that one must even tolerate the intolerant - it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.

But there is no paradox, never has been. Tolerance must never be given to the hatefully intolerant. Nazism can never be tolerated, it must be defeated as quickly as possible everywhere it sprouts up. And I do absolutely mean violently, I am not talking about just simple ostracism or censorship.

A society that tolerates the hatefully intolerant is fully doomed. Please, come to realize that you are not advocating for anything high-minded, you are advocating for the destruction of all things beautiful, art or otherwise.

Dude. There’s a limit to that expression. There’s a reason why nobody likes Nazi’s and they deserve a punch in the face at minimum. Don’t be on the repeat side of history by performing some kind mental gymnastics to preserve freedom of expression and inadvertantly protect Nazism with that argument. That’s what apologists do now and did in the past.

Always remember this: if you have 10 people eating dinner at a table and 1 of them is a Nazi, how many nazi’s do you have? The answer is 10 Nazis.

You may want to consider the tolerance of intolerance here champ

And none of those platforms have to host the material. I don’t know what drill rap is.

Who gets to decide? The gallery, the sculpture garden, and YouTube.

I agree with you, BTW. However, I haven’t seen any government attempt to censor this song yet. Song sucks though, and I’m a fan of early Kanye.

Is it still music and art that should be platformed when it calls for genocide?

Edit: whoops I fell for sealioning again

You are disgusting. Your argument is wack and holds no water. Social media has no obligation to host hate speech. Fuck you for being a bottom dwelling Nazi apologist.

Who gets to decide what art is objectionable and have it censored?

Me

Yeah, if he’s singing about how we should all gas the Jews, or kill all the Palestinians, or mass murder all Ukrainians, it’s all fine, it’s just art, you see?

I’m glad I don’t have your big smooth brain

With the art excuse we are at the point that saying “heil Hitler” is not okay but singing it is okay.

First of all, these are private companies, not governments. They can technically do whatever TF they want, and we probably shouldn’t have ceded so much power to them.

…Anyway, I think you have a point. Or at least part of one.

It’s reasonable to draw red lines like “no nazism on our platform.” But at the end of the day Spotify and such can ban whatever they want, with no repercussions since it’s basically a network of defacto, legally shielded monopolies.

So how would we feel if, say, they started banning podcasts a little too popular and too critical of the president?

In other words, banning nazism as a policy is fine, but arbitrarily banning what looks bad to them is indeed going to be a problem.

Bad take on Ye’s Hitler music

Are you saying you think it’s ok to give a platform to content explicitly promoting genocide and Nazism so long as it has a beat?

He’s a Nazi and he should be fucking shot.

Are you saying that Germany should never have banned NSDAP?

“If you don’t like the party, just don’t join it” is what you’re saying?

🤔

No.

So if there is a new song that lists all of the high up government official’s addresses and tells everyone to kill them and a billionaire will give them a million dollars to do it, that would be cool? You think that would be art? Nah dude, those song people would get a knock on their door before the song plays though 10 times.

That’s not really at issue here.
This isn’t the government deciding what art is objectionable, and arresting those who play music they don’t like. This is a private company deciding what it wants to host in it’s library, that it curates, it pays license fees for, and sells subscriptions too. Ye or any Nazi absolutely has the right to make and sell any music they want. They however don’t have the right to force another company to sell their music for them.

While this can certainly be interpreted as defending awful people (which I’m sure someone will, prepare for downvotes because many only read the first paragraph and do not understand nuance) with an awful message, I tend to agree with you.

Music is art, and like any artwork its quality does not depend on its message. I have to admit that the gay fish was never the kind of artist I enjoyed simply because the rap tracks I like are few and far between. (Wtf is drill rap?)

But to use a different angle: I’ve always been a metal head, and there’s quite a lot of black metal that I enjoy. And as most sensible people understand, that doesn’t make me a satanist, nor do I endorse burning of churches.

So the obvious question is then: Is Ye’s newer stuff any good? Well, fuck if I know. I cannot name a single song Ye made. But he’s not exactly making it more tempting to try and like his stuff. Anyway, fuck him and fuck the horse he rode in on.

EDIT: I did some research. I remember Golddigger. That’s all.