Everyone exploding at this, but this headline seems written to stir controversy, and people don’t seem to be reading the article.
Two key facts:
It’s reported that the 18 year old who was shot and killed was pointing a firearm with an extended magazine at officers when he was shot (though yes, he was running away, so yes, it could have been handled better, but there are thousands of more cut and dry cases to be mad about).
The deputy who was killed may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened
You’re saying key facts, but there’s no proof at this time that he was aiming a gun at the cops. The article makes that very clear. That has not been established at all. There’s nothing that proves he even had a weapon. That’s a claim the police made. But has not been proven. You should never ever take police statements as fact. Particularly when they so obviously have motive not to be truthful.
I’m smart enough to know that there is body camera footage of the incident and the family has already seen it and I similarly know that with the climate in the USA if the footage showed no gun and nothing to support the officers beliefs then we’d already be fucking rioting.
Making shit up without having evidence is tantamount to lying. It’s disinformation regardless of if it fits your world view.
The police claim he had a gun, they claim he pointed it and that was the impetus.
The family has not refuted this claim. Maybe they will, they haven’t yet.
As it stands this is what we KNOW.
Making claims one way or the other without any credible evidence is called making shit up.
I’m not making anything up by pointing out that your claim is pulled out of the air, that’s all it is. The family hasn’t said he didn’t have a gun, the cops say he did. People in this thread do not know one way or the other so making claims is ridiculous.
The second point, I don’t really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you’re responsible for your “brothers” dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.
Trust me that will always be part of your person in the eyes if others and has been for quite some time now.
It took decades for Germans to not be immediately seen as Nazis in other European countries even when the Germans were obviously born after WW2. And to this day one of the first things you get to hear is something related to WW2, today mostly by non-europeans.
I don’t want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It’ll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.
However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They’re choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I’m sure they’d fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that’s fine. They need to learn they can’t do what they’re doing, and they aren’t going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn’t handling it.
The cop that shot him CLAIMS the kid pointed the gun at him, but the video evidence contradicts that. In fact, he was prompted to shoot the moment he exited his vehicle by other cops hollering “He’s got a gun!” He relied on their statements, not his own experience of seeing the gun.
The fact that the kid had a gun is automatically in dispute. ALL cops have throwaway guns to be used in exactly this sort of a case. The video does not show him with a gun, but one was on him when he was found? Highly suspicious.
This kid stole a car, which was recovered. That is not a death penalty situation. Nobody should be murdered over an insured car.
… so if my son was murdered by police who claimed that he was pointing a gun at them and then I saw footage that proves that u would use my words and tell the whole fucking world.
You’re speculating that maybe they planted a gun.
There is body camera footage that shows the event and notably family members who have watched it have not made that claim.
Everyone responds differently. You’d use words probably because you’ve found that effective in the past or have strongly associated events such as this where words have solved problems.
You are speculating the family would run to the media and your son isn’t dead so your reaction is all speculative.
If facts actually meant as much to you as you claimed you wouldn’t so readily speculate and be so quick to paper over your lack of knowledge with your personal biases.
You do indicate you like to use words and you’re currently using those words to create an unsupported narrative while getting upset with others for doing the same.
I’d suggest you try and find some time to work of self reflection but you probably just tell me to get fucked.
People are throwing out the claim that he didn’t have a gun and the cops planted it, I’m saying there’s no proof and the family isn’t saying that either.
I’m not supporting the cops killing this kid at all, I get why the dad did what he did too.
It’s just wild that someone can be like “yo I be he didn’t even have a gun and the cops planted it” and my statement that not even the family who saw the video is saying that is in the wrong.
You don’t know that they haven’t made that claim, just that the media hasnt reported it. Local media tend to be very pro-local police.
Besides, thats not the point. The cop who shot him claims he saw the kid point a gun at him, even though he was on the scene for only seconds before firing. I’ve seen the bodycam footage, and the kid was running, not aiming. That cop wasn’t responding to the kid pointing the gun, he was responding to the other cops hollering that he had a gun, and he just started firing at a running suspect.
Bottom line: the kid stole an insured car, which was recovered. There was no reason to be killing anyone over that.
I really don’t think either of those facts mattered to dad. I think what matters is the reality that police are so rarely held accountable in even those cut and dry cases that there is no perception of justice at all.
Everyone exploding at this, but this headline seems written to stir controversy, and people don’t seem to be reading the article.
Two key facts:
It’s reported that the 18 year old who was shot and killed was pointing a firearm with an extended magazine at officers when he was shot (though yes, he was running away, so yes, it could have been handled better, but there are thousands of more cut and dry cases to be mad about).
The deputy who was killed may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened
You’re saying key facts, but there’s no proof at this time that he was aiming a gun at the cops. The article makes that very clear. That has not been established at all. There’s nothing that proves he even had a weapon. That’s a claim the police made. But has not been proven. You should never ever take police statements as fact. Particularly when they so obviously have motive not to be truthful.
There is body cam footage of the event.
The family has already reviewed it.
There’s been no statement that he wasn’t carrying a gun from the family.
Uh, the dad made a statement of sorts.
Are you stupid enough to think that he absolutely had a gun just because they made no statement either way? Their son was just murdered you asshat.
I’m smart enough to know that there is body camera footage of the incident and the family has already seen it and I similarly know that with the climate in the USA if the footage showed no gun and nothing to support the officers beliefs then we’d already be fucking rioting.
Making shit up without having evidence is tantamount to lying. It’s disinformation regardless of if it fits your world view.
You have implied throughout this thread that no statement from the family means he had a gun. That is also a bullshit lying accusation.
Oh my god this is insanity.
The police claim he had a gun, they claim he pointed it and that was the impetus.
The family has not refuted this claim. Maybe they will, they haven’t yet.
As it stands this is what we KNOW.
Making claims one way or the other without any credible evidence is called making shit up.
I’m not making anything up by pointing out that your claim is pulled out of the air, that’s all it is. The family hasn’t said he didn’t have a gun, the cops say he did. People in this thread do not know one way or the other so making claims is ridiculous.
key facts:
“reported that” “may have”
The second point, I don’t really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you’re responsible for your “brothers” dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.
I dunno. I’m American, and I sure don’t want the world blaming me for what trump is doing. But I do share your frustration in general.
Then I guess you should probably be actively doing something about that problem shouldn’t you?
So long as you aren’t that blame isn’t really misplaced is it?
Trust me that will always be part of your person in the eyes if others and has been for quite some time now.
It took decades for Germans to not be immediately seen as Nazis in other European countries even when the Germans were obviously born after WW2. And to this day one of the first things you get to hear is something related to WW2, today mostly by non-europeans.
I don’t want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It’ll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.
However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They’re choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I’m sure they’d fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that’s fine. They need to learn they can’t do what they’re doing, and they aren’t going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn’t handling it.
Key “facts” about your “key facts”:
The cop that shot him CLAIMS the kid pointed the gun at him, but the video evidence contradicts that. In fact, he was prompted to shoot the moment he exited his vehicle by other cops hollering “He’s got a gun!” He relied on their statements, not his own experience of seeing the gun.
The fact that the kid had a gun is automatically in dispute. ALL cops have throwaway guns to be used in exactly this sort of a case. The video does not show him with a gun, but one was on him when he was found? Highly suspicious.
This kid stole a car, which was recovered. That is not a death penalty situation. Nobody should be murdered over an insured car.
Key fact: the family has not claimed that he wasn’t carrying a gun, and has viewed the body cam footage.
So?
… so if my son was murdered by police who claimed that he was pointing a gun at them and then I saw footage that proves that u would use my words and tell the whole fucking world.
You’re speculating that maybe they planted a gun.
There is body camera footage that shows the event and notably family members who have watched it have not made that claim.
Only you are making that claim.
Everyone responds differently. You’d use words probably because you’ve found that effective in the past or have strongly associated events such as this where words have solved problems.
You are speculating the family would run to the media and your son isn’t dead so your reaction is all speculative.
If facts actually meant as much to you as you claimed you wouldn’t so readily speculate and be so quick to paper over your lack of knowledge with your personal biases.
You do indicate you like to use words and you’re currently using those words to create an unsupported narrative while getting upset with others for doing the same.
I’d suggest you try and find some time to work of self reflection but you probably just tell me to get fucked.
I’m not creating any narrative.
People are throwing out the claim that he didn’t have a gun and the cops planted it, I’m saying there’s no proof and the family isn’t saying that either.
I’m not supporting the cops killing this kid at all, I get why the dad did what he did too.
It’s just wild that someone can be like “yo I be he didn’t even have a gun and the cops planted it” and my statement that not even the family who saw the video is saying that is in the wrong.
I don’t really need to self reflect on that, tbh.
You don’t know that they haven’t made that claim, just that the media hasnt reported it. Local media tend to be very pro-local police.
Besides, thats not the point. The cop who shot him claims he saw the kid point a gun at him, even though he was on the scene for only seconds before firing. I’ve seen the bodycam footage, and the kid was running, not aiming. That cop wasn’t responding to the kid pointing the gun, he was responding to the other cops hollering that he had a gun, and he just started firing at a running suspect.
Bottom line: the kid stole an insured car, which was recovered. There was no reason to be killing anyone over that.
I got it, you’re outraged and speculating and don’t care about knowing what happened.
You just want to push your narrative and fit the story to that.
You won’t find an ally of the police in me but people who project misinformation just to fit their world view are awful too
I really don’t think either of those facts mattered to dad. I think what matters is the reality that police are so rarely held accountable in even those cut and dry cases that there is no perception of justice at all.
“Things police claim” =|= “Facts”
In fact, more often than not, things cops claim are lies. Because they are trained to lie about everything.
You think you’re being reasonable, but you’ve got rose tinted glasses on
Coppers should be taught de-escalation, but rarely are, especially in the USA based on what I see.