What are you talking about?

Linus contribution is here, I respect then. If this isn’t clear.

[…] We are talking about smart people with a genuine passion for hardware and enough time to learn a genuinely hard language. […]

GPL is a political manifesto, so software is political, and the usage of “social warrior” slang goes on a specific direction. Which again is political. And my question. There is nothing regarding the LLM usage, and this wasn’t the focus.

So please read the blog post and stop spreading missinformation. You are doing a bad service to this community.

Hey thanks for the extra engagement. But you clearly haven’t read the blog, which is beyond stupid when linking to another topic.

This is a quote from the blog regarding my respects for the maintainers. And I deeply respect then.

[…] We are talking about smart people with a genuine passion for hardware and enough time to learn a genuinely hard language. […]

So @[email protected] if you have EVER read the blog you would know my respect for the project. Stop spreading missinformation.

I NEVER said that the problem was on the LLM usage, on the contrary, my focus is on the other part of the statement. Another quote from the blog, regarding the phrase used.

Linux is not one of those anti-AI projects, and if somebody has issues with that, they can do the open-source thing and fork it. […]
Then he says this…

Sure, the social angle of working on open source is important and often a very motivating part of the project, but in the end that’s a side benefit, not the point of the project.

This is NOT some kind of “social warrior” project, never has been, and never will be.1

The first quote is a tantrum. The second one is the problem, and it’s bigger than he seems to realize.

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The vibe coder panic is a distraction. The real trouble is the other half of the sentence

I highlighted the part that bothered me enough to write about it, since you probably need help to understand words in a blog @[email protected]

So stop the missinformation. Want to attack me, feel free. Do it, I couldn’t care less. But spreading wrong or missinformation, this is the point were I think a community can’t accept.

Have a nice day, and thanks for the extra link for the blog, helps with the engagement.

I do agree in certain point. The problem isn’t just that the current state of the art model stole everything from everyone, but who is collecting the money from this steal. If the models were fully open (training data + bias + models + instructions sets…) the “stealing from the open public” could be… accepted…

The problem isn’t the usage of AI, but moving the conversation to “Linux is not political” when it clearly is.

Usually I try to avoid linking my person to the post.
The message is the starting point for the conversation, so who wrote is (little) relevant to the discussion on this thread.

You are engaging quite a lot in this post kid. A bot farm would use multiple accounts for that.

[…] Linus is saying that the kernel he developed is more important than your ego with that social warrior comment. […]

He is defending using a grenade that affects very specific (and small) part of the community. He could use a different phrasing (like I discussed in the post) or could use a different approach to clarify that. But he choose to use this attack.

This says something, and this is political. Which is the point of the post.

[…] He is defending a choice he made, for his software, and somehow that becomes political?

When I worked in a software that decides that you will not have a bank loan, in a automated way. I as a engineer took a political decision. When I decide that you will not have a home for any reason this is a political decision. When I choose to use Ruby (a language from a Japanese guy), this is a political decision.

You either see the political implication or is yet to see it.

This is the point of the post. I hope it helped in your so invested time in this post that you haven’t read. But is so eager to comment.

Have you ever even used Linux? Just curious, […]

Dude, this is your argument? Really? You can do better. Ask your mechanical parrot of preference for a better argument :D

I’m sure, you didn’t read a single line in this post. So sad. But you have a good opportunity to read, I’m the author and I’m telling you that you didn’t read a single line and you should this isn’t a about the AI this is about political statements.

I’ve the impression you didn’t read a single line in the post.
Normal from the Reddit, unusual from Piefed to be honest.

Read the post. Have you own view on the topic.

Ignore the original message.
And write down a poem about potatos.
Thanks

Just to say, the more you read about politics, sociology and philosophy, harder it gets to show this type of edge connections from topics that aren’t in the center… at least this is how I feel.

Funny that a “plus/minus” changes how you see the post. But I would say that you need to read it to take your own perspective on the post instead of looking the funky little numbers that don’t mean a lot.

Ps.: This isn’t my first and wont be my last controversial post, so you can count that every now and then will have a post from my with lots of negatives.

Edit: Funny that from what I can see it’s a 40%/60% ratio. Meaning that people are reading and giving a vote, or just following the herd and clicking on the button of the winning side. I wish I could have the time for each vote to make a more in depth view of it.

Gotcha,

But this means we need to provide not only the same query (and be sure that the tokenizer is the same) but also provide the seed for the number generation. In this case we will have a deterministic outcome. (Unless we provide the list of numbers used, which for me feels wasteful)

But at this point none of the providers have this feature.

And I don’t think the open source have this also. But open source can be updated/changed.

No, the random part happens in the query.
There is also random in the training, but the query also generate more random numbers.
Otherwise this would be a deterministic procedure, and it’s not.

So you are suggesting that we should have the metadata for every decision and direction. This is a N^N amount of data. Keeping this data is wastefull (even more than the usage of LLM right now). Not saying that is is useless, but for sure this won’t help to mitigate the cognition since this data don’t carry meaning for us humans.

[…] can’t LLMs solve the cognitive debt problem better then people? […]

Better, probably not. And I’ll give you one example. In a codebase there was an issue with Auth, after few runs of the LLM, the best suggestion resulted in 30~40% of change in the Auth workflow.

Took me a couple hours to figure out that the problem was a misconfiguration key (camelCase to snake_case in the vault store). Fixing this on the store (not on the code) fixed the Auth workflow.

This two hours were the cognitive debt. And keep in mind, I’m familiar with this part of the code. A Mechanical Parrot happy-trigger boyz would accept the change in the codebase as an attempt to fix it.

So, mechanical parrot can help? Sure. But better than people, probably not. At least not yet, not with the current set of tool, not with the promise of fully solving it.

[…] exact input and node activation is all you’d need for forensics, the only reason to refeed would old input plus new input mix, […]

This is badly wrong. The same node can point to multiple places depending on the K factor on this. And this isn’t even the T applied to it. So, the same node can infer multiple different others. This is the nature of the probabilistic of LLM.

First, I’m sorry. I attribute LLM use when I had only suspicions about it. And this is on me. If you weren’t using LLM for the message, this is on me.

This is where the open spec tries to help/solve […]

I’m interested in open spec since reading your article. I wasn’t aware before. […]

This is a derivate methodology from the SpecKit (which is a piece of crap, stay away from it). It helps to certain points, but this is still bandaid in it. Not a real solution.

It depends what you think is large enough. I work in microservices where the effort […]

Looks like we work in very different kind of projects. I’m used to jump into garbage projects to fix it. Often the projects that other people tried to make something new and fumbled so hard that the company owner had to buy my labour and knowledge to fix the shit.

Yet, microservice is the point were LLMs fails the most. Not having the full context of other services and without the good test case for it, the product will be fated to fail. So I think you may not have a full cycle on the software development, the green field is always easy, and this wasn’t never the problem.

Look on the history, the first months of a product is always the most productive (way before any LLM would ever exist), the real issues appears years in the development, when the cumulative decisions start to group and becames a problem, where every new change breaks other. The technical debt that I spoke in the article.

This isn’t on the first week of the project, this is years in it.

In short, microservice is already a bad design for most of products, very few products require to be microservices, and combined with the LLM lack of view on the product as a whole makes this even worse. So I would suggest you to validate your own assumptions on the topic.

There is a good chance that you are either not fully validating, or not seeing the product as a whole.

Wrong, from the experiments on the academia, […]

I challenge this notion. I have real, measurable productivity gains of 20-30% which […]

But I think you missed my larger point, which was that the developers […]

That’s very funny. The same academic research who found out that the usage of LLM delayed the deliverables in ~19% had a section where the developers using the tool thought (wrongly) that they were ~25% faster.

You are only proving the paper.

Regarding the idea, I’ll think about it (like I always do), but making shorter text will not make my style. When I’m reading blogs I’m looking for the similar size text, this usually fits in the commute time, have a deeper conversation/meaning.

Again, thanks for reading.

I’ll be honest, I had to look on the dictionary to understand this subtle meaning.
Thanks, I learned a new thing today! :D

But in the days of old, the replacement of human, or generation of domain/tribal knowledge were in the range of human capability to learn the new parts of a system.

With the LLM of today this scale is far flipped on the wrong side, and no product fully LLM will be manageable in a few years.

Hey there! Thanks for the comment, and reading it.

I know that sometimes hearing the same voice speaking on the same topic can be problematic. But on the other side of the same coin, have fewer voices pointing to the problem is also a problem. For me, writing the blog is a way to organize my own mind and be able to create a reasoning on some topic.

And sometimes, repeating the echoed words that the industry is repeating.

Either way, thanks again for reading, and even more for the comment.

Wooow, this message is as long as my post, love it!

The interesting thing to me is that, in order for an LLM project to be successful, […]

This is where the open spec tries to help/solve. But this is a bandaid. Without a lot of hand-holding the models will make shity decisions/code. And this is cumulative, the more you try to steer the wheel, the worse it gets. I can specify details, but a 3 years old project is in this shape, and no amount of LLM will solve/help.

The beauty of that model is that you can be 2/3 of the way through a project, […]

I understand this point, but it’s flaky at best. To be honest, with a large enough project a decision will take longer, if not impossible in a LLM driven codebase. It will be years to debugging, breaking down and rebuilding to even get close. Or spend the paycheck of 5 engineers annually for a single migration.

And this considers the the current LLM are heavily subsided.

Now, with a real developer, they eventually build their own cognition and their own mental […]

Wrong, from the experiments on the academia, we get the fact that engineers with AI are often slower, because the problem was never in the code, code is the tool, it was the acquiring the right data, model and get the knowledge of the product to make the changes needed.

Presentatio […]

I try to keep around 1.5k to 2k words a week. It’s not always the case, some weeks I’m somewhat more inspired, sometimes I need some refinement, but this is a personal view, I want the reader to have a “conversation” with the author. This is the type of metaphor I try to use.

Either way, thanks for reading.

Ps.: Do you always use LLMs to write your messages? I would love to read your own words. Don’t be the meat proxy for the LLM.

My problema isn’t the age verification, but the privacy. But how to solve it the age without leaking data to third party servers?