• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    This has so completely disappeared from discourse over the past four years. I remember when it used to be that “building the wall” was stupid at best and bigoted at worst. But now, it’s all, “Of course we agree that we need a strong border, but we’re the ones who will actually do it, Trump’s all talk.”

    It’s always the Republicans that get to set which values and goals the country persues, while the Democrats just run on pragmatism and efficiency. It’s like they’re allergic to making moral claims.

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        Oh, oh no, no no no no no, No. this isn’t a one party system, this is something far worse, this is what comes exactly right before a one party system. That is a two radicalized polarized adversarial party system. One must go but neither will leave willingly, there is more concentration of money and power in these two parties than possibly any other group on earth and maybe through out all history, make no mistake the only thing that will hold the country back from civil war is the Bomb, and that is only a maybe.

        We might not quite be that bad yet but all the peaces are in place and adversarial moves are already being made.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        it’s really not one party.

        To be clear we have one party, that is effectively fascist, and another party that is, center left/right and very moderate.

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            well yes, people are the one species with money, so that does apply. (yes it’s a rich people meme i know, that is a big problem)

            If we’re breaking it down this significantly there is no politics, merely the human hierarchical structure of control.

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              no politics, merely the human hierarchical structure of control.

              I’d love to hear the perspective where this makes sense.

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      An important party of governing is listening to constituents. They border is the second highest concern of voters (behind the economy) and an overwhelming majority want stricter border controls. Being a good public servant involves listening to the public.

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        So, the Democrats don’t listen to the majority of voters when they want free education, Medicare for All, or an arms embargo on Israel, but when it comes to stricter border controls, they’re all ears for some reason.

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          but when it comes to stricter border controls, they’re all ears for some reason.

          well there’s a really obvious reason for this one.

          Currently the border asylum processing chain is incredibly swamped, up the point of multiple years of backlog, which is why temporary status citizens are a thing. Though not to the same degree as the UK. The whole point behind border control and immigration policy is to fix this problem, actually push the asylum cases for these people through, and get them real citizenship (or not, and get rid of them, that’s how it works.)

          This is arguably a human rights issue.

          So, the Democrats don’t listen to the majority of voters when they want free education,

          we have free state education, primary education only though. Republicans want to get rid of this, i don’t think you’ll see kamala harris saying she doesn’t want it. Though free secondary education is obviously the implication here, i figure it’s worth pointing out.

          Medicare for All

          biden has done numerous things for healthcare in his term. Same for obama, though again, not universal socialized healthcare, so not really the implication but it’s worth noting.

          or an arms embargo on Israel

          i’m not going to talk much about this because i keep getting banned over these topics for some reason. But idk how much popular support there is for this one, i haven’t looked at polling, i wouldn’t be surprised if it was a popular position though. That very well might be the case, however if you’re asking why the US is supporting Israel, the answer is that it’s militarily strategic. That’s the unfortunate but real answer there.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        Which polls show an “overwhelming majority” want stricter borders? Source please.

        Tbh I expect that some people are more hawkish on the border now than before because the Democrats switched tacts, and not the other way around, but regardless I haven’t seen any evidence that shows what you’re claiming.