edit : replaced article https://archive.li/QmPGT
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/08/29/biden-looks-to-prevent-future-president-from-ending-ukraine-war/
cross-posted from: https://lemmus.org/post/516550
The effort is part of a commitment made by G7 nations at the recent NATO summit in Vilnius to negotiate their own bilateral security deals with Ukraine. Besides the G7 nations, 18 other countries have agreed to provide long-term military support for Kyiv.
A US official told the Journal that one proposal being considered for Ukraine would be a memorandum of understanding (MOU), which would not require congressional approval. President Biden has previously floated the idea of an “Israel model” for Ukraine. The US provides Israel with $3.8 billion in military aid each year under a 10-year MOU but does not provide mutual defense guarantees. The Journal report said that French officials have suggested military aid commitments for Ukraine should be over a four-year period.
The US provides Israel with $3.8 billion in military aid each year under a 10-year MOU but does not provide mutual defense guarantees.
Look, I get this is a touchy subject to talk about because Russia is painfully obviously such a horrendous aggressor in this case…
BUT!
Our relationship with Israel is bar-none one of the worst things in American history. We financially support an apartheid state that never had a reason to exist other than officials at the end of WWII not knowing what the fuck to do with all the Jewish refugees and shoving them in Israel as an afterthought.
Ukraine is not currently an apartheid state, but endlessly giving a nation money without sometimes questioning if that relationship still makes sense is buffoonery. I agree with the French officials, a four-year MOU is much more reasonable.
I am anti-war, but I also understand that at times war is unavoidable. It should not be our first response, or a “premeditated” response (fuck you George W. Bush, you asswipe), but we shouldn’t shy away from defending ourselves or our allies.
I would like to see Ukraine become an ally, but I think patterning our future relationship with them on one of the worst, most controversial foreign relationships our country has is a bad fucking idea.
At the time, everyone felt terribly for the Jews, and what the Nazis had done to them, and it kind of made sense to give them somewhere to live. Also, nobody thought much about the Palestinians at the time, and that’s terrible. Finally, no one in the right mind thought all of the Jews who settled in Israel would end up treating others in many ways the Nazis treated them.
Obviously, I’m not saying that Israelis are treating Palestinians the same way the Nazis treated them, but the Jews in Israel have certainly turned from victims into the aggressors in a pretty ironic way that nobody could really foresee. Yes, that arrangement that we have with them should obviously change, and I hope it does soon in order to influence how they treat Palestinians.
But when it comes to Ukraine, rather than refuse to enter a similar agreement, what we should do is learn from what happened with Israel, and try to ensure there are better safeguards from that sort of thing happening in the future. Figuring that out is going to be the tricky part. 
Agreed, great take. We can’t fix the mistakes of the past, but we can try to learn from them, which is all anyone can really ask for.
that never had a reason to exist other than officials at the end of WWII not knowing what the fuck to do with all the Jewish refugees and shoving them in Israel as an afterthought.
Jewish immigration to Palestine and Zionism in general started a fair bit before WWII. The massive wave of Jewish refugees after the Holocaust obviously accelerated things quite a lot, but the mess can arguably be traced back to the Sykes-Picot agreement, when the British that had promised the Hashemite Arabs an Arab state that would include Palestine betrayed them in a deal with France where they instead agreed to carve up the region amongst themselves and to encourage Jewish immigration to Palestine; you can see this vague general plot unfold in the classic Lawrence of Arabia. This outraged the Hashemites, who eventually refused to continue working with the British. The British continued supporting their Arab allies in the east of Arabia, the House of Saud, and the Saudis eventually conquered all of Arabia, leading to the wonderful state of Saudi Arabia today. The other two Hashemite states, ruled by King Hussein’s sons Faisal and Abdullah, were respectively Iraq and Jordan. Iraq fell to a coup, while the family still rules Jordan to this day. If you know literally anything about Jordan at all, you’ll know it’s a politically and culturally much more tolerant and pleasant place than Saudi Arabia.
So, in what’s a massive shock to everyone I’m sure, Britain and France drew some stupid lines after betraying their allies and caused a hundred years of mess that’s still ongoing to this day. What a surprise.
Nice breakdown, Zaphod.
You may not fully grasp the situation in Israel, what led to the current state and which role the paaestinians play. Thats ok, just be coutious that you lack tons of context and may draw wrong conclusions.
What you may not fully grasps is that this post makes you come across like a giant, condescending ass.
That’s ok, this is the internet after all.
That’s ok, sometimes there is no better way.
There is no context that can justify apartheid.
Care to elaborate? I would like to know more about the situation
Ukraine is being used as a pawn in a chess game between superpowers.
Peace can be done by US anytime, we fund the gov’t in Ukraine.
We are also “helping” Taiwan with military aid, another pawn, another proxy war.
OP, we have received reports about the source of this post. Reviewing it, there is a good bit of libertarian and what could be considered pro-Russian propaganda elsewhere on the site, to the point it could be fairly considered an opinion blog pushing an agenda. The headline also deviates from the original source reporting. Other mods may ultimately take this down, but in the meantime please consider substituting the original article upon which this (opinion) piece was based:
I’m frustrated by so many apparently technically inclined people not understanding that certain archive sites are not great to use.
https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked/
We don’t block archive.is or any other domain via 1.1.1.1. […] Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers return bad results to 1.1.1.1 when we query them. I’ve proposed we just fix it on our end but our team, quite rightly, said that too would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service. […] The archive.is owner has explained that he returns bad results to us because we don’t pass along the EDNS subnet information. This information leaks information about a requester’s IP and, in turn, sacrifices the privacy of users.
This means that Archive.is and it’s various other domains (including archive.li) 1. Don’t respect privacy and 2. are effectively blocking anyone who uses CloudFlare’s DNS from viewing any of their pages (that’s me).
Please use a different archive provider, for the sake of privacy and those who respect it. Because I can’t actually view your link due to my DNS.
Thanks for letting me know!
Have a great day!
You too. Thanks.
Wow, Lemmy is so different. On reddit or other platforms any hint of Israel criticism and you would be vilified and downvoted…
Completely blocking any rational discussion. This level of discussion helps digest the complexity of the situation.
It’s because (so far!) Lemmy and the Fediverse in general seems to lean left, and we can have more productive discussions without the anti-Semites out there looking to use critique of Israel as a way to smear Jewish people and rehash tired racist tropes.
On places like reddit it is sadly because there is so much of that racist dogwhistling behind critiques of Israel, conflating the works of the Israeli government and certain Israeli citizens as representing everything that it means to be Jewish worldwide. It’s hard to have productive discussions in that environment, and it’s hard to trust every random person you run into in that environment. It sucks, but I understand it.
Criticising Israel and calling out their apartheid state does not make somebody antisemitic.
Pretty sure that was part of the point I was making considering I’m the one who called Israel an apartheid state.
On larger websites, with more “normies,” you have more Nazis who are looking to use valid critiques of Israel as a gateway to pushing anti-Semitism. It’s purposeful by using dogwhistles and long forgotten racist iconography and imagery. It gives people who want to give a valid critique of Israel and it’s policies a bad name, and thus a lot of people jump down your throat assuming you’re arguing in bad faith on places like reddit.
rightfully so, that a pretty stupid view to have. especially for ppl that never lived there, don’t know the culture and have no idea about the history…of both sides.
What a shitty headline. There’s one person who can unilaterally end the war in Ukraine, and he will never be a US president.
He can install one of his puppets as US president, though.
That is what we do all over the world, to a certain degree.
Corruption is everywhere, the US is not an exception.
C.R.E.A.M
Good idea. Goodness knows Putin will do everything in his power to install a puppet in the White House in 2024, just like he did in 2016.
Do you know a president who could stop the war?
Vladimir Putin.
He could pull back to the borders they agreed to in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nukes and then just not invade.
Boom, no more war.
I think we should continue to support Ukraine but I think this is executive overreach - shouldn’t have been able to do it for Israel either.
Good
