Conclusion below, but full read is highly recommended:

#The Frame

The Steam Frame is not for everyone; I’d argue VR isn’t generally. But despite taking far longer than it should have to materialize and costing more than I’d like, the Steam Frame is one of the most exciting pieces of hardware I’ve seen in the space in years, one that gave me that same feeling of optimism that the Index did so years ago. The Frame builds on the work done by its competitors in the years since the Index and solves so many friction points I’d had to actually engaging with VR as a medium at all. It is a device that is doing massive amounts of hard work to unify several different use cases into a single open platform, and, despite its individual parts being less novel, that unity is game changing. It is hardware whose importance may ultimately eclipse its remit, one with potentially massive consequences for PC gaming, but on its own terms it hits the sweet spot that I’ve yearned for so much from a successor. I only pray we do not have to wait another seven years for more.

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      I’ll cheerlead universal compatibility any day even if I have no reason to buy this myself. No new games means I don’t care. I’m in the “been there, done that” group.

      There’s one VR game I’m interested in playing and that’s https://github.com/Crementif/BotW-BetterVR

      I don’t think that alone worth $1500 before tax and shipping to Canada 😅

      I tried with Index but my 12th i5 isn’t good enough either so I’d need a new computer as well…looks outside ah, right.

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      Do you mean ARM Linux gaming more specifically? Because ARM Linux on its own has been around for a while, e.g. Raspberry Pi.

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        Yep that’s what i meant, specifically SteamOS on ARM, which mean android handheld device might in the future comes with the option of linux instead of just android. Project like ArmadaOS already half way there.

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    I’m sure it’s great to use, which is why I was really interested in it, but for the price it’s at I can’t honestly justify getting one. Even if it were around $750, as it was rumoured, it would have felt a bit too expensive, with the current state of VR gaming.

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      Keep in mind the Meta VR system is being sold at a loss as a personal data scraper that records everything you and your family says, as well as the inside of your house video and videos of your kids. It scrapes everything.

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        Sure, which is why I never bought and would never buy an Oculus headset. I also hated how they tried to build a closed ecosystem and probably ended up doing a lot of damage to VR gaming. I just don’t feel like access to VR is worth more than ~$800.

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          If you want to dip your toes in VR (and have a Windows PC), get a used WMR headset. As mentioned in my other comment, a former Microsoft engineer made these usable again by releasing a custom driver after official support was removed from Windows.

          These headsets all have high-res displays (perfect for flight sims and sim racing - you can easily read instrument panels), even the cheapest ones - and some higher-end models come with excellent OLED panels. Hardware requirements are very low and most PCVR games work just fine out of the box. Setup is incredibly quick and easy, with just a single cable with HDMI and USB at the other end (you also need a decent Bluetooth-adapter for the controllers). You can get one of these headsets - they were produced by a variety of manufacturers under license - connected and running in less than five minutes, including defining the borders of your play area. There’s no breakout box, no adapters, no external trackers or additional power supplies.

          Their main disadvantage are the somewhat clunky controllers that rely on camera-based tracking in combination with built-in sensors. Fine for quick movements everywhere and precise movements in front of the cameras, but the tracking is nowhere near as reliable as on more expensive or newer headsets (expect to briefly - a second or less - lose tracking about once every three or four hours of playing). It’s still more than good enough for pretty much every VR game though, including the likes of Beat Saber, HL Alyx, competitive VR shooters, Skyrim VR (probably the best VR game there is), etc.

          Controllers use standard AA batteries, by the way, which means there are no old and decaying built-in batteries to worry about. I’d get rechargeable ones.

          Prices were incredibly low already compared to other headsets when they were new. Used - since most consider them obsolete after the official loss of support - they are a bargain. You can find a working Lenovo Explorer with controllers (the cheapest recommended option) for less than 100 bucks on ebay, easily. A fancier headset, like the Samsung Odyssey+ with its gorgeous OLED panel, can be had for maybe 20 or 30 bucks more. Do not buy these without controllers.

          I would not claim that WMR headsets are or ever were the best there is in terms of VR hardware, but if you’re just curious and want to get a taste of it and if you then want to casually play the occasional VR game, they are more than good enough for that.

          Really important: DO NOT, under any circumstances, use the hinge to flip up the headset. The hinge is a weak point shared by all of these and it WILL break. Just take the entire headset off if you need to look around. Takes just as long and won’t damage the fragile plastic hinge. Otherwise, these are very robust. I’ve smashed the controllers into walls, furniture and an unsuspecting family member without damaging them (and I’ve also bumped into stuff with the headset when I foolishly turned off boundaries - nothing happened).

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            Thanks for the suggestion. I’m not on Windows anymore, but on the store page for the Oasis driver it says that it works through Ignition on Linux. I was actually considering the PSVR2 as an alternative, since I though WMR was completely dead, but I haven’t researched much.

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    I loved my Lenovo Explorer WMR headset. When everyone else struggled to get much beyond 1080, this was 2880x1440 in 90hz. It also had the dots for tracking on the controllers, with 2 cameras mounted so you didn’t need room sensors. Beyond its time.

    My 2x GTX670 SC 4GB in SLI ate every VR experience I threw a it!! I miss Pavlov VR, Assetto Corsa 2, and the freebie Steam game with mini stick figure people where you’re an archer shooting other stick people protecting your castle!! 🥹

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    the Frame includes an additional magnetic spacer for people with glasses

    That was my main concern, so good to hear. Sounds like it’ll easily fit 3rd party straps as well. I really prefer the halo type of head-strap as it takes pressure of my face, so I hope to be able to get one of those at some point.

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        I never considered glasses wearers and vr before. I wonder if you could simulate a prescription with vr tech…

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        I might even do that. Getting the lenses as close to your face as possible is an easy way to increase field of view

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    Everyone keeps evaluating this device as a standalone headset. Valve claims it is a “streaming-first” headset. Can we not get an according review? What’s the battery life like while streaming?

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      Gamers Nexus has a pretty comprehensive review that covers both streaming and standalone play. Battery life is not particularly favorable but overall the sentiment is positive.

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        Sure, as usual his video is over an hour long, is full of unnecessary testing, and goes off on various unrelated tangents. And I have to wait several weeks for the written version.

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            “This review is not comprehensive enough”

            Handed review that is more comprehensive

            “This review is too comprehensive and also I have to wait for an extra thing they do as a bonus”

            Quite the take

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              Is it really “quite the take” for one review to have not enough information, and another to have way more information than necessary?

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                No, but your reaction was. You were given the thing you asked for, then complained. Then complained the thing wasn’t in a different format not previously specified. Like, someone was trying to be helpful without much context and you were like, “No, this is the wrong kind of help”

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                  I don’t know what you’re expecting from me. What I asked for was very specific, and was not provided. And I’m not going to watch a >1 hour video to find the single piece of information I was looking for. Your reaction is needlessly antagonistic though.

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      Several reviews have mentioned that battery life is about an hour and a half. External batteries have to be the same class you would use for a laptop because the headset draws over 30W peak.

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        Yeah several reviews talk about battery life when running games locally but not when streaming, that was my entire point.

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      Probably. The Deck and Machine got 45% price hikes, no reason to assume the Frame was spared.

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      Eh? I expected it to be in roughly the same price range as the Index and I don’t think that’s unreasonable for a high-end device.