• bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    18 hours ago

    Depends on what kind of leftist.

    I don’t think most like USA style gun culture, nor are they against regulated gun ownership.

    In most cases they become more anti-gun in post-revolutionary society but are more pro-gun when faced with the threat of living under fascist rule or wanting to one day organize a revolution.

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      The crazy thing is successful armed uprising in the name of these left-wing movements generally ended up with fascist leadership.

      I think in theory leftism isn’t interested in guns, but obviously as a slave accepting your chains won’t evoke change. Problem is guns are not very effective against the state military apparatuses in the modern world now. Not unless those militaries mutiny.

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        generally ended up with fascist leadership.

        Huh? I think you’re confusing authoritarianism and fascism, you may not like either - but they are different things.

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          I’m not. Fascism is a variant of authoritarianism, and describes very well how the USSR, China, and other successful so-called communisms have operated.

          “Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” -Wikipedia

          I believe in left wing ideology, it’s just only ever seemed to emerge successfully from non-violent system-internal populism. Changing of hearts and minds in other words. Never through violence. Which makes sense, because proper humanitarian leftism is obviously antithetical to ends justify the means approaches to societal problem solving.