I like leftists in general, even moderat ones are miles better than roghtwing morons. likes guns is the lie tho. Leftists might need guns to fight against nazis but its a necessity not enjoyment.
Some of us like guns. SRA members are very friendly and whether you want a place to learn the basics without MAGA hats around or you actually end up enjoying improving your skill we are here for you. Enjoying firearms is pretty fucking nerdy. The conservative firearms dudes are more interested in getting drunk and complaining about their wives while holding something that makes them feel safe. At least initially. Some of them end up enjoying it for the same reasons leftist do. Because they’re nerds. You listen to two people talk about firearms for 5 minutes and anime nerds will sound normal by comparison. I think leftist nerds could really bring some conservative gun nerds left if there were more of us.
TDLR: there are those that are firearms nerds and there are those that like owning a gun because they are afraid of going outside. Both exist on the left and right. But the former is almost exclusively right wing.
Quick, name a revolution resulting in decolonization or AES that didn’t involve guns? I’ll wait forever.
In what way does this detract from what they said?
“We don’t like guns, we need them”
“Oh yeah, well what about the times you needed guns?”
I think we tell liberals and conservatives apart in the way that you’d tell two species in the same genus apart
Or honestly, two breeds of the same species these days
Hates leftists
That shit sent me
Only note is Liberals should be labeled “thinks leftists and conservatives are the same thing”
Liberals (vote blue not matter who dems) are the actual conservatives. The conservatives (republican party of today and its followers) are better labeled as reactionaries. Liberals are sitting on a further right shifting world and looking at it through horseshoe theory.
I’m using a definition of “conservative” to mean maintain the status quo. Which is literal in its definition and not really based in material actions of those that say they are “conservative”. Tongue in cheek a bit i guess,
Liberals should be labelled “Thinks they’re the leftists and that conservatives are needed for good bipartisanship”
Leftists don’t have to hate leftists. We could learn to celebrate each other.
Fuck you, pal!
Let’s take a trip to harbor freight, and express our love for one another.
All leftists are my comrades!
Except for those damn Trostskyists!
i don’t hate leftists, it’s the libs who hate me.
That would make me deeply happy, and significantly increase our ability to accomplish any of the changes we’d like to see in the world
Hey, don’t do that. We need to keep pushing the meme of lefist infighting harder and harder so the CIA ops get their paycheck. Are you not considering them? Are they not exploited labor of the capitalist class too? PLEASE RECONSIDER!
I feel like purity testing has been less of a problem lately, due to the urgency of… pretty much everything.
Yeah my purity test is whether youre actually helping.
Election? Committee meeting? Sending commissars to foodnotbombs? Unhelpful.
Increases of purity testing is a symptom of being ineffectual. It is frustrating being a socialist when things fall apart and there are no real plans of action.
What do people do when they feel powerless?
Any action you take in organization is a positive. I ask any of my “no kings” friends to go out and find a protest or day to contribute to a DSA or PSL event (among others but those are the ones nationwide) before the next “no kings” day. If 10% the “no kings day liberals” went out and did something between now and then we’d have a massive increase in support each day. And that is a win for me. Don’t try to change the world. Change your neighborhood and find solidarity and purpose in getting others to do the same.
You don’t have to feel powerful to not feel powerless. Anyone that feels powerless hasn’t been organizing.
History is not made by the actions of “great men”. It is made by those that plant seeds for trees that they will never enjoy the shade of. Do what you are capable of doing in your community and your local organizations. Do not be disheartened by the decades in which “nothing happens” because the “weeks in which decades happen” are built upon those times.
I swear. If all the leftist online stopped sitting at home being “informed” of the world politics and just got to the weekend thinking “Damn, i need to listen to <favorite political commentator>, i was so busy organizing with <local org> that I didn’t have time”. We’d all be in a better place. And the political commentator might even start mentioning your community.
I like to go outside and fix stuff, or lay in bed analyzing what ive seen, but I dont need anyone’s permission.
Non-tendency leftists
tell that to the maoists and the stalinists. lol
I’m sorry, do commies not believing in US department of state propaganda bother you?
— every single time i forget to add a </snark> tag…
No but see theyll work with anyone who doesn’t betray them by saying horrible capitalist propaganda like the party line from five minutes ago before they left for the bathroom.
Conservatives and liberals should be one circle called liberals with a smaller circle inside called “conservatives: the most hated liberals”
Conservatives and liberals should be one circle called liberals with a smaller circle inside called “conservatives: the most hated liberals”
*gestures at “Leftists don’t bother telling conservatives and liberals apart.”*
You’re just proving the chart accurate.
They’re right when it comes to politicians though. They both cater to billionaires and corporations, they both support bombing random ass countries, they both support sanctioning Cuba, etc. Not shaming anyone who votes for liberals, because they’re less bad domestically, but even then they’re constantly moving right, now throwing trans people under the bus and such.
In terms of ideology, both believe in capitalism and US hegemony first and foremost.
I’d argue liberal voters are more likely to be decent people, but their politicians aren’t very different, and that’s normally what we think when we talk about just how similar they are. Hell, even among liberal voters I find their support for the US military appalling.
I kinda see liberals as generally fitting into two categories.
One is straight up horrible people who just want to maintain a decent image. (This includes like 99% of the politicians)
Two is generally well meaning people who just aren’t that politically savvy, and they hear scary stories about the “far right” and “radical left” so they figure “somewhere in the middle” must be the sweet spot.
Gotta love those folks. We could have Earth at one end, the Sun on the other, and they might pick a spot 46 million miles out in space to find the middle way.
The middle should say circlejerking losers cuz they all love feeding into the echo chamber and at the end of the day nobody wins because none of them are willing to entertain the idea that they might be wrong so the red/blue system wins by pitting them against each other.
Leftists aren’t in the red blue system
I don’t think leftist like guns, but otherwise makes sense.
Depends on what kind of leftist.
I don’t think most like USA style gun culture, nor are they against regulated gun ownership.
In most cases they become more anti-gun in post-revolutionary society but are more pro-gun when faced with the threat of living under fascist rule or wanting to one day organize a revolution.
The crazy thing is successful armed uprising in the name of these left-wing movements generally ended up with fascist leadership.
I think in theory leftism isn’t interested in guns, but obviously as a slave accepting your chains won’t evoke change. Problem is guns are not very effective against the state military apparatuses in the modern world now. Not unless those militaries mutiny.
generally ended up with fascist leadership.
Huh? I think you’re confusing authoritarianism and fascism, you may not like either - but they are different things.
I’m not. Fascism is a variant of authoritarianism, and describes very well how the USSR, China, and other successful so-called communisms have operated.
“Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” -Wikipedia
I believe in left wing ideology, it’s just only ever seemed to emerge successfully from non-violent system-internal populism. Changing of hearts and minds in other words. Never through violence. Which makes sense, because proper humanitarian leftism is obviously antithetical to ends justify the means approaches to societal problem solving.
So: when in danger, we need deadly force. When not in danger, we don’t.
Crazy.
People forget that not everyone on Lemmy are from the States, because where I am from leftists are usually really anti-gun.
Quick, name a revolution resulting in decolonization or AES that didn’t involve guns? I’ll wait forever.
There is a nuance between knowing that no revolution was made without arms and “loving guns”… If I ever have to use one, I know I won’t love it.
Well if you think that people and leftists don’t like guns then I guess you’ve never been to India or Mexico
In the states it also varies a lot. You have groups like the the socialist rifle association, but lots of american leftists are also anti-gun, there’s a range of views on the subject.
I would guess its the majority of american leftists that are anti-gun, but I could certainly be mistaken
I’m an American leftist who isn’t overly fond of guns, but the way I see it, our choices are:
- The fascists are the only ones with guns
- The fascists aren’t the only ones with guns
Outside of the US there are also differing opinions. I support guns for self defense. I don’t like guns, but who am I to tell marginalized people to stay unarmed as the state tramples over them.
Rule number (i forgot which number) of the internet is that everyone is a white, american, male until proven otherwise.
Prominent leftist ideology and writers don’t glorify gun ownership or turn them into identity pieces, but they absolutely do see their value for attaining and protecting rights. A lot more leftists own guns than people realize, they just don’t advertise it to threaten and intimidate like fascists do. Many of our rights and freedoms only came about because people were willing to actually fight for them. This is a famous Marx quote: Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
There’s no putting the cat back in the bag, so we may as well regulate their access and provide education and training for their use before they can be owned, as well as how to effectively avoid their use in the case of defense, and mitigate the damage in the aftermath of their use.
Many of our rights and freedoms only came about because people were willing to actually fight for them.
Just “many?” Try to name one that didn’t!
I don’t need to, as we aren’t disagreeing. Same spirit, difference in phrasing. Everything is good, no need to infight
The right to have a popup on every website asking if you’d like to accept or decline cookies. 😂 (j/k)
