The “Appeal To Heaven” flag, a popular symbol for Christian nationalists that was waved by January 6 rioters, was raised over the Small Business Administration headquarters last week.
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The “Appeal To Heaven” flag, a popular symbol for Christian nationalists that was waved by January 6 rioters, was raised over the Small Business Administration headquarters last week.
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All “christians” in America are MAGA. If you’re reading this comment and you’re offended because I’ve insulted your religion, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
You should spend some time talking to Unitarian Universalists.
Unitarian… unitarian…
Getting some Dead Space vibes here
Unitarian Universalism, UU, or Unitarians.
Altman be praised
(I’m not suggesting that unitarians are a space death cult, it just reminds me of unitology)
I love UUs. Their existence is so weird.
Lots of denominations have split or merged through the years. For instance the Methodists split from the Episcopalians and later merged with the United Brethren to form the United Methodist Church, which very recently split into the Global Methodist (hates gay people) and United Methodist (gay is OK).
But the thing that’s different about the UUs is that the Unitarians were a Christian denomination and the Universalists were not. It’s a merger of Christian and a non-Christian sects that worked out really well.
It’s neat.
I love being a UU and am extremely benefitted by having my congregation & a personal connection with God, after +20 years of being a hardline atheist. I needed my own space & affordance to explore, redefine terms, and do my own spiritual learning.
One weird outcome for me was reading the Bible on my own. I don’t consider myself a Christian (ex-Catholic / ex-Atheist), but I was getting frustrated with MAGA’s association with Christ while being so misaligned with the teachings. I know enough now to quote my favorite passages, because if I ever get in a pinch in this country, I’m going to quote the Bible.
Every MAGA person needs to read Matthew 25:32 several times, along with James 1:19 & James 2:25, and especially John 13:34. You get to heaven by helping the poor, helping the foreigner, helping those in prison, not by just claiming you follow Christ. If your actions don’t come from love, then they don’t follow Christ. It’s mind blowing to me that this regime is aligned with Christianity in public opinion.
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And every UU congregation I’ve ever seen has pretty explicitly NOT been Xian. Not even in a watered-down way. I’ve watched their services online, and there’s been no Christ-talk, and no sky-daddy talk at all. I think that each UU congregation has wide leeway to do its own thing, and for most, that thing does not include identifying as Xian.
“Our beliefs are diverse and inclusive. We have no shared creed. Our shared covenant is expressed through the inseparable and deeply interdependent shared values of interdependence, pluralism, justice, transformation, generosity, and equity – all centered around love. Although Unitarianism and Universalism both have origins as liberal Christian traditions, today we embrace diverse teachings from many different global religions and philosophies.” – https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-believe
I don’t know if they still use this saying, but I like it:
“When in doubt, pray.
When in prayer, doubt.”
One of my favorite comments I read from someone about UU was about how they learned to read the Tarot at church, which was UU.
I’m fine with them too. And a lot of UU people support Israel in all things. A lot don’t.
I’m down, but it would require reintegration into the shit stain that is organized religion. This is also coming from an ex minister. Once you’re behind that pulpit, your words are law. Getting into that place where a large congregation would actually listen to you would most likely require some moral compromises.
Are you queer? You are irrelevant.
Are you not white? You are irrelevant.
Are you sexualy active? You are irrelevant.
Are you pregnant? You are irrelevant.
Are you compassionate? You are irrelevant.
Your job is to interpret the Bible in a way that people enjoy. You reinforce their ideals. I have no idea how to pull everyone I knew into a 180°.
How do you propose we change these brainwashed peoples’ minds? If you have legitimate theory, I’m listening. All I can think of is showing up to church and talking to people, but it SUCKS there.
One example:
“ABORTION IS MURDER”
“It can’t think yet”
“IT HAS A SOUL”
How do I respond to that? What can I possibly tell a person that’s that nieve that they’re being sexist?
I witnessed people use their time to speak against the church while they were on stage. They get pulled off and disappeared (not killed, blacklisted). A lot of the people there are dependent on the church, so they can’t speak up. So even if you have the stage, you maybe have 5 minutes. Change the world. Go for it. This is coming from the experience of an ex minister at the Salvation Army.
Respectfully, UU is very different than this, in my personal experience. It’s precisely because UU doesn’t have strong dogmatic ties that I like it. The 7 principles are pretty standard moral positions. Sacred texts inform practice but do not dictate it either.
I’m not a maga thanks
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Then they need to correct their religion. Because “christianity” in America = MAGA at this point.
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I never called them evil. I’m saying organized religions are used by leaders to justify evil. In America, they’re typically told to be hostile to Muslims. They’re different, therefore they are wrong.
Religion turns everything into an US vs THEM mentality. But easily 95+% of people are just normal people. We’re all the same. Most people just want to live in peace. Dividing people will always generate hate.
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Well since you declared it I’m sure they’ll change their core beliefs accordingly.
Maga Americans are an oxymoron. What he means is Christians are already swallowing a lot of hunches that aren’t very logical what is one more line of bullshit.
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Lol if we just reach across the aisle I’m sure the GOP won’t cut our working class throats this time I’m sure. Screw your trickle down logic and everyone who still donates money to organizations that protect “alleged” child molesters.
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Nah it’s fractured because the Democrats are paid opposition. The only real war is class war leave your bullshit fairies in the sky out of it. You can serve your false idols and politicians, I call that hell. When your leg has gangrene you cut it off you don’t continue to ignore it because your neighbor says he has seen worse.
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Well said. I’ve watched the left tear things to shreds, and it seems to be mostly online (I hope - though I do know a few of these types IRL). The purity tests and the more-leftist-than-thou and the constant calls to have certain people take a back seat and let the $MINORITY_GROUP do all the speaking is just so tiresome.
I’m white, I’m male, and I’m cishet and I have zero plans to leave, but I have to say that the left is often just terrible at trying to appeal to a broader base. Yes, we get it - all should have a voice. But it gets just a bit tiresome to hear that my voice should somehow matter a bit less because of what boxes I happen to tick off, or that someone else’s voice should matter more because they tick off some box(es). Just as an example…and while demographics are changing, it would be a hell of a lot easier to win elections and effect actual real change if we would stop alienating so many people with this toxic bullshit. And honestly? I think some of the online people are plants that are TRYING to alienate a lot of the potential voting base and turning liberals and leftists into caricatures.
Lol tear things to shred online, honestly you don’t even deserve a response.
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What can I say, I’ve seen it. A prime example was seeing how the comments on a once-great site - Boing Boing - devolved over the course of the years. In the years before comments were taken behind a paywall, it had become a total shitshow of liberal and leftist absurdity. And the mods, who often were also commenters, were fully in on it. No dissent of any kind allowed. Oppression olympics and “intersectional” one-up-manship (or should I say one-up-being-ship; wouldn’t want to “center” the humans or most definitely not the men too much) was on overdrive. Which is a real tragedy given how fun the comment section used to be before all the buzzkills moved in and took up residence (and mod privs). In some cases, they were pile-driving on Mark Frauenfelder, one of the founders and owners. Want to guess what some of the reasons were?
Anyway, no more happy mutants were allowed, unless maybe they ticked a sufficient set of boxes, and even then, you got more points I guess if you were angry and embittered and could use all that toxicity to dump and ban/mute anyone that differed from your opinion even one iota…all of this brought to you by absurd extreme fringe liberals/leftists - oh and they would get extremely upset if someone were to call any of them “liberals”, lol.
Anyway, no idea if the owners of the site did anything to clean up the situation when they took it behind a paywall to comment. Ironically, they ran to the impure Substack to host their comments and I don’t think you can even view them w/o paying. Something I am definitely not doing if it helps fund assholish gatekeepers like the little clique running the comment section beforehand…
I think anyone that says they haven’t seen it is either happily offline and stays away from the ridiculous examples of liberals in their day-to-day IRL, or, more likely, is kidding themselves. Boing Boing is hardly the only example where I’ve seen this; it’s just there that I saw the most extreme example of it since the mods were 100% on board with it, apparently. Anyway, a total tragedy since I’m old enough to remember when Boing Boing was fun…
stop making blanket statements about groups of people because it just makes you look like an ass
I just made another blanket statement about a group of people in another post. What are you going to do about it?
Make me.