I’ve always wondered this, but how do you prevent a bidet from festering? When dedicating, micro poop particles get everywhere in the bowl, and therefore my conclusion would be that it would get on the bidet spout. Over time, since it’s moist, wouldn’t a very thin microbial biofilm form on the spout? Then you’d be blasting in potentially dangerous bacteria back into yourself. Do you have to clean it after every use? Every day?
The only way I could see it maybe keeping clean would be if it was behind a small door that opened when it’ll be in use and then retracted once more.
So far the most hygienic option would be wet wipes.
Yes, they have little doors and always retract back up after use. They also do an automatic bleed before and after each use to wash them off. There is also a manual bleed and clean option so the wand can be cleaned by hand (though they stay remarkably clean. The wonders of Japanese engineering).
Mine not only has such a door, but can self-wash with hot water and then disinfect and deodorise itself. It also has a hot air dryer. Using it right now!
Also one other thing that’s never been answered for me: where is the soap dispenser located? Are people seriously just washing their ass with nothing but water and calling it clean? What’s next? Washing your hands without soap?
Honestly I rather just use the shower head to rinse off after a shit, cause the body wash is already right there. Plus I can adjust the temperature so I’m not blasting freezing cold water directly onto my asshole.
Most people only use toilet paper, which is way worse. Bidets get you almost as clean as a shower, but I expect everyone is washing their ass with soap and water at least once per day in the shower.
Bidets these days have heated, oscillating water and blow dryers with hot air.
You’re taking a shower after every shit? Do you even do this when visiting someone else’s house?
People use bidets in-place of toilet paper or other wipes, not a shower with soap.
Not a shower, just washing my ass. Also I try to avoid pooping in public whenever possible. I guess not everyone does, but if it happens, it happens. Not the end of the world.
Your “the only way” argument is literally how they are all sold. Maybe do even the lightest bit of research before declaring you have no option but to continue doing the worst thing possible?
“We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
Edit: Reading this back I was kind of mean. Obviously you’re entitled to your own preferences, but bidets have solved most of those problems already and are definitely worth checking out.
Every time I’ve seen these bidet threads, everyone talks about conversion kits (which don’t have the door) or ultra fancy toilets (which I can’t buy and use in an apartment).
And the only ones I’ve seen with a door we’re the ultra fancy toilets, though didn’t know they could self wash too.
I use a Toto Washlet C2. I live in an old apartment that only has the classic “round” styled seats (to save space), and this works with that.
Couldn’t recommend it more. Has a self wash, but I still wash it every couple of months by hand.
No dirtier than a normal toilet, and the premist functionality reduces stickage and the amount I need to clean.
No need to get an ultra fancy toilet, and this model (the c2) has all the fancy features at a relatively low price (no detachable remote, no profiles, no instant water heater) (I don’t think any of those are worth the extra cost).
All the Japanese ones are like this - referred to as “Washlets” in Toto’s case. Iirc the bidet terminology can be problematic in the EU as bidets are technically what they use in Italy.
Good luck finding one, but Toto definitely sells them there, too! See here for more info.
I’ll preface my comment with the fact that I never saw a bidet until I was in my 30s, so I was never properly “bidet trained”, but I can tell you that at a glance the prospect of having a damp ass after every shit does not appeal to me. Particularly in humid regions where damp bodily areas leads chafing and rashes. It also looks like a lot more effort than just wiping and moving on with minimal difference in results.
That said, if you prefer bidets and have access to them, more power to you.
Your average bidet will usually have a built-in dryer if you buy name brands. Heated water, heated dryer. It saves a remarkable amount of money on TP too. It actually paid itself off after about four years of shitting. And your ass is incredibly clean afterwards, which is a blessing in hot and humid summers for reasons I won’t elaborate on prior to getting a bidet, lol.
So wait, do you not dry your ass after a shower? Or are you saying that you use something other than a towel to do so? Am I speaking to someone who’s never touched their ass with a towel? Do you just stand around in the nude while waiting for your ass to air dry?
No, I don’t have a bidet. They’re expensive and not very common. But if I had one, I would probably dry my ass with a small amount of toilet paper. Or maybe I’d use a towel, and just have a different one every day. I already change and wash my underpants every day. I assume you’re not soaping your ass every time you shit, so then by your logic your underpants are exposed to a gross ass and are therefore gross themselves every time you shit. So if you find it acceptable to simply change your underpants every day, then changing a little towel every day isn’t much extra burden.
Obviously it’s possible for me to get by perfectly fine without a bidet right now. But there have been times in my life when I’ve been injured (eg a dislocated shoulder) and reaching back to wipe was kind of difficult. It opened my eyes to the fact that someday I’m going to be elderly and when the day comes, I would much rather have a device for easily cleaning my ass than to be forced to rely on someone else to do it for me. In my opinion every home should have one, just because everybody eventually gets old. I’m certainly not suggesting they be added to public bathrooms.
How is leaving your ass crusted in poo less disgusting than wiping your ass after cleaning it with water? Do you not wipe your ass after a shower? If you do, that’s just another ass towel that you also use to wipe your whole body. If you don’t, that means you don’t actually care about having swampy ass in the first place.
What I gather from this thread is that some people have an ass towel in their bathroom, and I should be drying my hands on my shirt/pants if I use a bathroom with a bidet.
Well, I don’t, I just use paper towels/tissues. We don’t even have towels for hand drying in bathrooms where I’m from.
Why would you want to dry your hand using a towel that is hanging 24/7 in air filled with poop particles in the first place? A bidet being there or not doesn’t change that.
TP is supposed to dissolve in water, that’s why we can flush it.
But if you’re washing with a bidet, how do you know you’re clean if you’re just spraying your shit with water then just patting it with TP? Do you wash it with your hands when spraying water?
I used a bidet in Europe in my thirties, and then my ass was all wet. I could dry it with toilet paper and leave bits of toilet paper in my ass hair, or I could dry it with a dedicated ass towel, which is clearly less sanitary than just wiping.
It’s wet and uncomfortable, and it’s not any better than just wiping. Running a bit of water over something doesn’t really clean it anyway.
Why are you wiping your wet ass with toilet paper the same way you wipe your poop encrusted ass? Its already clean. Just dab your ass with toilet paper and you won’t leave bits of toilet paper in them.
It’s honestly shamefull to see people downvoting and calling you dumbass for raising questions and concerns about bidets. I’m not bidet trained either, and I don’t really have a strong opinion on them, but these responses almost make me want to take a stance against bidets.
I don’t really care about my “social credit score”. It’s an honest question and I’ve learned a couple things about bidets so far. The overwhelming conclusion, however, is that a lot of proud bidet users are kind of elitist assholes (heh, puns), and would rather admonish condescendingly than care to explain. Goes to show you really need a parent or a family member to properly teach you these things. If no one in your family has ever used a bidet, then I guess you’re shit out of luck (heh).
Either that or the guy saying they’re overrated was on to something and everyone’s getting defensive and pissy (heh) about it. If your method was truly better, you could just explain it without resorting to shame tactics. Could be something they’re embarrassed about?
“a bunch of people told an ignorant person they were wrong and that offended me because I’m also ignorant and that makes me upset.”
Bro grow up and wash your asshole. If you stepped in shit barefoot would you be cool just wiping it with paper and moving on or would you use water? Bidets should be standard in the USA, absolutely barbaric using the sandpaper corporate America has deemed acceptable.
I live in a country where bidets are extremely rare. I honestly only know one single household with a bidet. I have however discussed getting one, but the discussion has pretty much faded out since it isn’t seen as a common need around here.
I fully agree with the “buttholes are the only thing we are content with wiping with paper to clean away poop”-paradox argument. I have mentioned that a lot in my discussions with my gf about getting one. So maybe I should get one - as I said, my opinion isn’t very strong as I haven’t experienced one, and I haven’t experienced sanitary issues with using paper.
So with all that said, it’s less tempting to make that purchase when people respond as condescending dickheads when raising concerns or questions about it. You just fully assumed that I lived in a place where bidets are common and told me to grow up and that I am ignorant. The other commenter got called a dumbass for not knowing the bidet procedure when they initially said that they were not bidet trained.
Being condescending doesn’t really help anyone. It just makes me want to ignore your advice.
I too am from a place bidets are rare, literally don’t know anybody else who has one. But after that first wash I was changed, made a true believer; anybody who talks bad about bidets is shit talking something I love. Try one, join us on the smug and clean side of butthole’s.
Bidets should be banned, non sarcastically. People who shoot water into their shitty anus, creating shit water that splashes all over the place, are disgusting and a health hazard. That’s probably why you only see them in third world places like Europe, which historically has been a disgusting place with disgusting people who would literally dump buckets of shit into the streets. You really gonna take hygiene advice from those pigs? LMAO
Anyways, I’m going to continue to properly clean my ass with toilet paper, like God intended. Hopefully those Europoopeans invest in proper potty training for future generations so they can stop being the laughing stock for the rest of the modern world.
In many states of Australia installing a Bidet is extremely expensive as they they need to have a full RPZ backflow protection device (bulky and expensive - $600+ for the part) to prevent backflow. (simple and even double check valves aren’t allowed for Bidets as they’re considered ‘high hazard’)
To add, If you’re even filling a bucket of water with a hose, it’s against regulations if the end of the hose gets submerged, that’s a ‘cross connection’
A bidet is way cheaper and way better for everyone.
I’ve always wondered this, but how do you prevent a bidet from festering? When dedicating, micro poop particles get everywhere in the bowl, and therefore my conclusion would be that it would get on the bidet spout. Over time, since it’s moist, wouldn’t a very thin microbial biofilm form on the spout? Then you’d be blasting in potentially dangerous bacteria back into yourself. Do you have to clean it after every use? Every day?
The only way I could see it maybe keeping clean would be if it was behind a small door that opened when it’ll be in use and then retracted once more.
So far the most hygienic option would be wet wipes.
Don’t you clean your toilet? That takes care of it.
Yes, they have little doors and always retract back up after use. They also do an automatic bleed before and after each use to wash them off. There is also a manual bleed and clean option so the wand can be cleaned by hand (though they stay remarkably clean. The wonders of Japanese engineering).
Mine not only has such a door, but can self-wash with hot water and then disinfect and deodorise itself. It also has a hot air dryer. Using it right now!
See now that I would be extremely interested in. What’s it called?
The Toto bidets have these features for about $335, iirc. You can usually find them at Costco. Amazon sometimes has them too.
Every bidet Ive seen has some kind of cleaning feature, whether self clean or just a button that makes it pop out so you can spray it with sanitizer.
This reminded me to hit my bidet button and stop browsing. Enjoying the ass blast as I type this.
Also one other thing that’s never been answered for me: where is the soap dispenser located? Are people seriously just washing their ass with nothing but water and calling it clean? What’s next? Washing your hands without soap?
Honestly I rather just use the shower head to rinse off after a shit, cause the body wash is already right there. Plus I can adjust the temperature so I’m not blasting freezing cold water directly onto my asshole.
Most people only use toilet paper, which is way worse. Bidets get you almost as clean as a shower, but I expect everyone is washing their ass with soap and water at least once per day in the shower.
Bidets these days have heated, oscillating water and blow dryers with hot air.
You’re taking a shower after every shit? Do you even do this when visiting someone else’s house? People use bidets in-place of toilet paper or other wipes, not a shower with soap.
Not a shower, just washing my ass. Also I try to avoid pooping in public whenever possible. I guess not everyone does, but if it happens, it happens. Not the end of the world.
Your “the only way” argument is literally how they are all sold. Maybe do even the lightest bit of research before declaring you have no option but to continue doing the worst thing possible?
“We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
Edit: Reading this back I was kind of mean. Obviously you’re entitled to your own preferences, but bidets have solved most of those problems already and are definitely worth checking out.
Every time I’ve seen these bidet threads, everyone talks about conversion kits (which don’t have the door) or ultra fancy toilets (which I can’t buy and use in an apartment).
And the only ones I’ve seen with a door we’re the ultra fancy toilets, though didn’t know they could self wash too.
I use a Toto Washlet C2. I live in an old apartment that only has the classic “round” styled seats (to save space), and this works with that.
Couldn’t recommend it more. Has a self wash, but I still wash it every couple of months by hand.
No dirtier than a normal toilet, and the premist functionality reduces stickage and the amount I need to clean.
No need to get an ultra fancy toilet, and this model (the c2) has all the fancy features at a relatively low price (no detachable remote, no profiles, no instant water heater) (I don’t think any of those are worth the extra cost).
Really nice, will look for a EU compatible model more that I have a launching point. Never came across one that was built in like that!
All the Japanese ones are like this - referred to as “Washlets” in Toto’s case. Iirc the bidet terminology can be problematic in the EU as bidets are technically what they use in Italy.
Good luck finding one, but Toto definitely sells them there, too! See here for more info.
Bidets are overrated. There, I said it.
How the fuck can it possibly be overrated?
I’ll preface my comment with the fact that I never saw a bidet until I was in my 30s, so I was never properly “bidet trained”, but I can tell you that at a glance the prospect of having a damp ass after every shit does not appeal to me. Particularly in humid regions where damp bodily areas leads chafing and rashes. It also looks like a lot more effort than just wiping and moving on with minimal difference in results.
That said, if you prefer bidets and have access to them, more power to you.
Your average bidet will usually have a built-in dryer if you buy name brands. Heated water, heated dryer. It saves a remarkable amount of money on TP too. It actually paid itself off after about four years of shitting. And your ass is incredibly clean afterwards, which is a blessing in hot and humid summers for reasons I won’t elaborate on prior to getting a bidet, lol.
You wipe your ass to dry it after using it, dumbass.
Toilet paper comes apart when it gets sopping wet, dumbass.
(I assume you prefer communicating in a derogatory style, so I’ll just mimick yours.)
Nah, not really. If the only thing you need to do is dry your ass, all you do is ball up the tp before you swipe so it doesn’t fall apart.
How do you manage showering?
After a shower you dry off with a towel, obviously.
Do you dry your ass with a towel after using a bidet? An ass towel? Because that’s disgusting.
So wait, do you not dry your ass after a shower? Or are you saying that you use something other than a towel to do so? Am I speaking to someone who’s never touched their ass with a towel? Do you just stand around in the nude while waiting for your ass to air dry?
Do you shit while in the shower or something?
No, but the purpose of a shower is to get dirt off of your body. Dirt that got there before the shower, not during.
I wash with soap when I shower. Do you use soap with your bidet?
No, I don’t have a bidet. They’re expensive and not very common. But if I had one, I would probably dry my ass with a small amount of toilet paper. Or maybe I’d use a towel, and just have a different one every day. I already change and wash my underpants every day. I assume you’re not soaping your ass every time you shit, so then by your logic your underpants are exposed to a gross ass and are therefore gross themselves every time you shit. So if you find it acceptable to simply change your underpants every day, then changing a little towel every day isn’t much extra burden.
Obviously it’s possible for me to get by perfectly fine without a bidet right now. But there have been times in my life when I’ve been injured (eg a dislocated shoulder) and reaching back to wipe was kind of difficult. It opened my eyes to the fact that someday I’m going to be elderly and when the day comes, I would much rather have a device for easily cleaning my ass than to be forced to rely on someone else to do it for me. In my opinion every home should have one, just because everybody eventually gets old. I’m certainly not suggesting they be added to public bathrooms.
How is leaving your ass crusted in poo less disgusting than wiping your ass after cleaning it with water? Do you not wipe your ass after a shower? If you do, that’s just another ass towel that you also use to wipe your whole body. If you don’t, that means you don’t actually care about having swampy ass in the first place.
Soap. In the shower I use soap.
Then, you can do the same with a bidet. After rinsing it with water, use soap, then rinse it again.
What I gather from this thread is that some people have an ass towel in their bathroom, and I should be drying my hands on my shirt/pants if I use a bathroom with a bidet.
Well, I don’t, I just use paper towels/tissues. We don’t even have towels for hand drying in bathrooms where I’m from.
Why would you want to dry your hand using a towel that is hanging 24/7 in air filled with poop particles in the first place? A bidet being there or not doesn’t change that.
You dry off with toilet paper. The bidet is for cleaning
How does having bits of toilet paper stuck to my ass improve the situation?
You can just pat it dry, the toilet paper doesn’t rip
TP is supposed to dissolve in water, that’s why we can flush it.
But if you’re washing with a bidet, how do you know you’re clean if you’re just spraying your shit with water then just patting it with TP? Do you wash it with your hands when spraying water?
You just wiggle your butt around (for a bidet toilet seat)
In my experience it still comes apart.
Ball it up first. Doesn’t take a huge amount, aiming for something you pinch between two fingers, not a fist-full.
Get better tp.
So… no bidet, no toilet paper, how do you usually wipe your arse, entire hand, seashells?
Toilet paper doesn’t stick when it’s not wet. It falls apart when it is wet.
Comes with heated seat, blower fan these days.
That would be nice. I’ve yet to come across one personally, though.
This is exactly it.
I used a bidet in Europe in my thirties, and then my ass was all wet. I could dry it with toilet paper and leave bits of toilet paper in my ass hair, or I could dry it with a dedicated ass towel, which is clearly less sanitary than just wiping.
It’s wet and uncomfortable, and it’s not any better than just wiping. Running a bit of water over something doesn’t really clean it anyway.
Why are you wiping your wet ass with toilet paper the same way you wipe your poop encrusted ass? Its already clean. Just dab your ass with toilet paper and you won’t leave bits of toilet paper in them.
The “poop encrusted ass” remark suggests you don’t actually know how toilet paper works or how to use it.
So, if you have poop on your hands, would you eat with that hand after only using toilet paper to wipe it off?
It’s honestly shamefull to see people downvoting and calling you dumbass for raising questions and concerns about bidets. I’m not bidet trained either, and I don’t really have a strong opinion on them, but these responses almost make me want to take a stance against bidets.
I don’t really care about my “social credit score”. It’s an honest question and I’ve learned a couple things about bidets so far. The overwhelming conclusion, however, is that a lot of proud bidet users are kind of elitist assholes (heh, puns), and would rather admonish condescendingly than care to explain. Goes to show you really need a parent or a family member to properly teach you these things. If no one in your family has ever used a bidet, then I guess you’re shit out of luck (heh).
Either that or the guy saying they’re overrated was on to something and everyone’s getting defensive and pissy (heh) about it. If your method was truly better, you could just explain it without resorting to shame tactics. Could be something they’re embarrassed about?
“a bunch of people told an ignorant person they were wrong and that offended me because I’m also ignorant and that makes me upset.”
Bro grow up and wash your asshole. If you stepped in shit barefoot would you be cool just wiping it with paper and moving on or would you use water? Bidets should be standard in the USA, absolutely barbaric using the sandpaper corporate America has deemed acceptable.
Bro.
I live in a country where bidets are extremely rare. I honestly only know one single household with a bidet. I have however discussed getting one, but the discussion has pretty much faded out since it isn’t seen as a common need around here.
I fully agree with the “buttholes are the only thing we are content with wiping with paper to clean away poop”-paradox argument. I have mentioned that a lot in my discussions with my gf about getting one. So maybe I should get one - as I said, my opinion isn’t very strong as I haven’t experienced one, and I haven’t experienced sanitary issues with using paper.
So with all that said, it’s less tempting to make that purchase when people respond as condescending dickheads when raising concerns or questions about it. You just fully assumed that I lived in a place where bidets are common and told me to grow up and that I am ignorant. The other commenter got called a dumbass for not knowing the bidet procedure when they initially said that they were not bidet trained.
Being condescending doesn’t really help anyone. It just makes me want to ignore your advice.
I too am from a place bidets are rare, literally don’t know anybody else who has one. But after that first wash I was changed, made a true believer; anybody who talks bad about bidets is shit talking something I love. Try one, join us on the smug and clean side of butthole’s.
Bidets should be banned, non sarcastically. People who shoot water into their shitty anus, creating shit water that splashes all over the place, are disgusting and a health hazard. That’s probably why you only see them in third world places like Europe, which historically has been a disgusting place with disgusting people who would literally dump buckets of shit into the streets. You really gonna take hygiene advice from those pigs? LMAO
Anyways, I’m going to continue to properly clean my ass with toilet paper, like God intended. Hopefully those Europoopeans invest in proper potty training for future generations so they can stop being the laughing stock for the rest of the modern world.
Downvote if you agree.
If I disagree with this do I upvote
I don’t have any opinion about bidets, just wanted to join the downcote train.
How big is your ass hole?
Medium, I guess?
Depends where you are-
In many states of Australia installing a Bidet is extremely expensive as they they need to have a full RPZ backflow protection device (bulky and expensive - $600+ for the part) to prevent backflow. (simple and even double check valves aren’t allowed for Bidets as they’re considered ‘high hazard’)
You’re talking about a full blown extra device. You can just add a bidet to your toilet seat.
Still needs an RPZ in Australia, regulations for backflow protection are super stringent here.
Backflow for what? It just attaches to the cistern feed.
You shouldn’t be questioning him. He’s not the one making the law.
They seem to wholly misunderstand the device we’re talking about.
No, they really have laws like that.
https://cbos.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/721919/Bidet-douche-seats-backflow-prevention-requirements-Regulatory-Note.pdf
Wow that is so complicated to install a simple hose. https://amzn.eu/d/2AN2BDt
Yes-
https://mccarthyplumbinggroup.com.au/blog/2022/05/26/can-i-install-a-bidet-myself/
To add, If you’re even filling a bucket of water with a hose, it’s against regulations if the end of the hose gets submerged, that’s a ‘cross connection’
for the record I was too lazy to install anything so I just have a squeeze bottle i use warm water in. no regs from big australia on that lol
That makes sense thanks for sharing, I guess other country probably have some other kind of protection by default.
It sounds like ‘Strayan plumbing code enforcement is funded by Big TP
It sounded to me like they were requirements to prevent snakes and spiders to crawl in from it.