http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6j7jjpgy6o.amp
Well at least he’s not dead.
Dude is saying he can’t be expected to smuggle him back into the u.s.
He didn’t have any complaints smuggling him into El Salvador.
Can’t visit a dead man.
Dude read the fucking article and look at the pictures.
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Sadly, you can.
Friend died recently. I know you can.
Please use common sense.
Please use a degree of decorum. Or better yet, take a break from the internet, go outside, meet some people, make friends and in general have human connection.
Shoo, little one, you don’t belong with the grown-ups.
Classic and well-documented grown-up response. Goes on the shelf right next to “because I said so.” 🤡
This is my theory too. He’s dead, and the administration doesn’t want to openly admit that an innocent man was murdered because of their racism.
The current US Administration murdered Mr. Garcia.
Did anyone actually think they’d let him see anything? Why would they.
I’m not naive enough to think he’s still alive but that’s beside the point.
Did seriously no one bother reading the article? There are pictures of him meeting with the senator.
Embarrassing yourself a bit here mate. There are no pictures of him in this article.
There are several pictures. Your adblocker’s filters might be a bit too aggressive.
Van Hollen went to El Salvador to visit Garcia but was initially denied access.
Reuters published this article, the subject of this post, saying as much. There are no pictures of Garcia in this article.
My comment, that you originally responded to, was posted with reference to this article, before anything else happened.
A few hours later Van Hollen was allowed to interview Garcia. Various news outlets have published articles about that meeting and those articles include photos of Van Hollen meeting with Garcia.
Whatever, man. You clearly care about this more than I do, so ✌️
I think he is still alive. Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.
Even if he’s still alive, though, there’s a 0% chance he, or anyone else Trump sends there, will ever come out of CECOT while Bukele or Trump is still in power. It would completely undermine so much about their regimes at this point. They are using CECOT as the ever present existential threat against opposition. It’s supposed to be a black hole people go into and never leave. They can’t let anyone out ever or it proves that people can get out. They don’t want anyone to believe that is possible. They can’t let anyone believe that is possible or it’ll breed massive opposition in both countries.
Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.
This agreement makes no sense. Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?
Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?
Loyalty from the gang members still inside.
Amazingly, gang leaders are very often able to operate even while in prison. And of course, there’s possible hits inside of the prison system that need to be “taken care of” by members inside.
Prisons are just an extension, basically, for gang life.
I take one issue who you’re replying to: Violent crime will go up, but first, there will be massive dollars on Bukake’s head.
The other user responded with an actual quote about the situation and it only discusses special treatment for gang leaders like cellphones, prostitutes, and cash payments to gang leaders for their cooperation. This seems like a reasonable thing for these gangs to agree to because they’re gaining all the benefits.
What still doesn’t make sense is why these gangs would blow up this agreement just because some prisoners from the US are being killed or mistreated. It’s not as if the leaders of some of the most violent gangs in the world are human rights advocates. It all just feels like disinformation from this user in order to con people here into complacency and thinking things aren’t quite that bad for the people being illegally held there by the US.
Well, because it would lead them to believe gang members are also being killed.
Except for the fact that these leaders are incarcerated alongside the gang members and freely allowed to talk to them as per the agreement. There’s no reason for them to jeopardize such a sweet gig to protect some strangers from the US. In fact they probably despise these people as they see them as traitors or potential rivals, so again why would they care?
All that aside, this is the same exact tactic Mexico tried with the cartels 15+ years ago, stop the killing and we’ll be lax on enforcement, and it blew up in their face before long. The same will happen in El Salvador too.
I didn’t make the agreement. It’s been widely reported on.
The US treasury said that an investigation into government officials and gang leaders revealed the secret negotiations. Luna [chief of the Salvadoran penal system and vice-minister of justice and public security] and Marroquin [chairman of the Social Fabric Reconstruction Unit] allegedly “led, facilitated and organized a number of secret meetings involving incarcerated gang leaders, in which known gang members were allowed to enter the prison facilities and meet with senior gang leadership”.
In addition to financial benefits for the gang members, incarcerated leaders received special treatment in the prisons, including access to mobile phones and sex workers. It said Luna also negotiated support from MS-13 and Barrio 18 gangs for Bukele’s national quarantine during the Covid-19 pandemic.
It sounds like the gang leaders who negotiated with Bukele’s regime are incarcerated themselves. And it’s not just prisoners in CECOT who are getting better conditions. It’s incarcerated gang members all over the country.
That quote is sparkly different from your summary. It states that gang leaders get special privileges like prostitutes and the ability to meet with their underlings in order to continue running the gang, along with government funding for the gang. What it doesn’t say is that conditions for rank and file prisoners have improved, nor does it state that prisoner conditions have improved nationwide. The quote actually makes sense why they would agree to this, but your assertions here don’t.
Do you really think some MS-13 gang leader is going to give up his only access to running the gang, cash payments from the government, and a steady stream of prostitutes because some prisoner from the US is being mistreated or killed? I find that pretty far-fetched.
This really reeks of disinformation in order to trick people into thinking things aren’t so bad in CECOT and complacency in that there’s some sort of safety valve that will automatically keep things from deteriorating into a straight up Nazi concentration camp.
No, I think that proving one guy in CECOT has died brings into question the treatment of everyone else in CECOT, including gang members the leaders of the gang do care about.
Those gang leaders have direct and unmonitored access to the outside world so why would anyone need to question their treatment when they have the ability to tell everyone exactly how they are being treated? Again, why would they give two shits about how some dudes from the US are being treated when they’re the ones enjoying all the privileges?
The leaders are only leaders because the unincarcerated members of the gangs listen to them and do what they say. They only do that because they believe the gang leaders have power and influence. Part of that, now, is protection for gang members who get locked up. How long do you think those leaders are going to remain leaders when everyone knows they made a deal with Bukele that Bukele isn’t living up to? Not long.
My personal conspiracy theory based on absolutely no evidence is that they aren’t tracking who is who there so they don’t know where he is and obviously everyone would say they’re him.
Realistically? No
Ideallistically? Yes. At the least prove he is alive and ok. They had to know this would be coming and had they done this it probably quiets down some of the criticism.
I bet he’s in this pile
Tbh this is a less bad outcome than I was concerned this was going to have (after letting him in to the prison: “Uh oh, looks like your president thinks you’re a gang member. You can just chill here forever.”)
Let’s start bombing shit. Or just killing folks. I fucking hate Trump but this is an American and other countries need to understand our citizens are not fair game.
you’re probably on a domestic terrorism watchlist now lol
Because I’ve suggested America use it’s military to bomb the literal fuck out a country that’s not in Europe?
Okay, Sherlock.
because an american agency sent them there in the first place so are you stating that we should be bombing or killing folks in america?
Because you went straight to “let’s blow them up” maybe?
Why would they see it that way if your own government clearly doesn’t?
He’s Salvadoran. The whole thing is fucked up and wrong, but they didn’t deport an American citizen. (Yet.)
That dude is dead. They are hiding it
100%
Yeah that man is in pieces already
That place has literally never released a prisoner…
The place isn’t huge, and lots of people get there sent there.
But no one ever comes out.
I don’t think anyone can be returned from there because they put zero effort in keeping records of who is who, it’s a death camp.
Wow. The prison is named Cecot. I just read a few articles on it. That place is fucked up. Was built for 20,000 people, but capacity then doubled. Like 80 people to a cell with no sheets or pillows on all metal beds. A bucket of water in each cell to drink. You eat (no meat ever served) in your crowded cell that has no chairs and the lights stay on 24/7 and you only get out of your cell 30 minutes a day. The country more or less eliminated due process a few years back. No inmates are allowed visitors or phone calls or letters. Also, no books or games or playing cards or anything that could provide any sort of entertainment. If you’re supposed to go before a judge it’s done over video conference call. Lot of other fucked up shit, too.
The US paid El Salvador $6,000,000 to take the 240ish people there. Like $25,000 a person.
Those last few numbers were what the new head of DHS meant when he said he wanted to make deportations “more like Amazon prime”
They need to work on the return policy if they want to be like Amazon. It’s well within 30 days.
(I am so sorry I use comedy to survive the daily mental assaults)
The secret sixth stage of grief is gallows humor. I’ve been living there for a while 🫠
I’ll scream it at anyone who will listen - I’m old enough to remember when comedy and tragedy were two separate things.
I was wondering about that. Like these people are being deported, but instead they’re just in a gulag for how long… Are they actually being repatriated to their country of origin?
for how long…
The rest of their lives…
I was being serious, they’ve never released a prisoner from there.
And they arrest so many people that even in the worst conditions they shouldn’t be dying fast enough to make room.
It’s not a gulag, it’s a straight up death camp.
It’s not going to take long before people start realize ICE grabbing you means certain death, and that at that point they legitimately have nothing to lose and start reacting appropriately when they’re grabbed.
Most of the people we’ve (the US) sent there have not been “deported” and cannot be repatriated because they were never citizens of El Salvador. Lots were apparently Venezuelan, I guess, but I don’t really know how solid of a claim even that is because it really sounds like ICE has been instructed to just grab any brown people with tattoos when they go out on their raids. The people that have been forcibly removed from the US and human trafficked into El Salvador have been kidnapped and exiled, effectively given a lifetime sentence (however short that may be) in a foreign concentration camp without any due process or means for recourse.
This shit’s fucked.
100 people to a cell. Nope, that’s not a typo.
Not to make light of anything, but “isn’t huge”?
As of 11 June 2024, CECOT had a population of 14,532 inmates. With a capacity for 40,000 inmates, CECOT is the largest prison in Latin America and one of the largest in the world by prisoner capacity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Confinement_Center
Tourism makes up 11% of El Salvador’s GDP.
Sounds like that should change too.
I mean I guess but I’m more disturbed by the fact that they have so much tourism given the fact they’ve had concentration camps for years
Who the fuck was going to El Salvador?
Latin Americans. Not United States citizens.
Being South American doesn’t make it any less likely to be put into a concentration camp for jaywalking
Despite recent events, the camps weren’t built with holding North Americans in mind…
I’m explaining the fucking tourism numbers, you potato. Not the nuances of jaywalking.
Well, that escalated quickly.
That happens with bot/farm accounts.
Wait I’m confused. Did you just admit to being a bot account?
People like tropical places
North Korea is balmy too. I just don’t get why anyone would risk it
It’s not balmy in North Korea.
The concentration camps are not years old. They’re 2 years old top.
If anything they’re getting more tourism after the camps. Obviously now they’ve evolved beyond just housing Salvadorans, but their initial installation made the country a lot safer (at the cost of authoritarianism and unfair policing. Not trying to justify them, but the country is “technically” safer)
Sadly, I don’t think he’s ever going to be seen again, I hope against hope that I am wrong, but that he is no longer alive is the only reason I can think of that would make them not only refuse to allow anyone to visit, but deny him passage home.
Him being dead wouldn’t be the only reason. If he’s allowed back to the U.S. he’d be subject to our laws about treatment of prisoners and there’s a good chance he would get word out about how bad it is in that south American concentration camp. They know they can’t let that happen.
Central America, and technically North America since it’s north of Columbia.
I always forget about central America. Also I suck at geography, I have it stuck in my head that anything south of Mexico is south America.
Thanks for the correction.
If that is the only reason you can think of, you need to work on your creativity. Lol
a lot of people here are saying he’s dead, but the press aren’t. Why?
It’s just speculation, but they’re saying it because nobody has ever been released from CECOT. It’s not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates and pocketing the money that the United States is giving them, or not sufficiently protecting inmates from violence between other inmates.
It’s not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates
I do think that’s rather unlikely. After Bukele came into power promising a massive reduction in violent crime he met with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador. He asked them tor reduce violent crime in exchange for payoffs and a promise of improved conditions for prisoners. Within 2 years of that agreement violent crime in El Salvador reached the lowest point it’s been in 30 years. If it comes out that prisoners in CECOT are dying, that agreement disappears and violent crime skyrockets. That would completely undermine Bukele’s basis of support.
Yes, no president has ever lied to gangs/terrorists before. Certainly no other president ever.
Well, we now know for a fact that Abrego Garcia is still alive.
And it’s not about him lying. Of course a piece of shit like Bukele is more than willing to lie to anyone. The point is that he is benefitting politically from this arrangement and if he doesn’t uphold his end he can suffer political harm. It’s not just a promise, it’s a two-way deal.
There is no press anymore, they have capitulated. All you have are recorders and interpreters that push whatever Trump wants or they get banned/prosecuted.
Standard behaviour in a Fascist regime which is what the USA became under trump
Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny… well done USA
It’s just like when scientists study obvious things. We needed a rigorous and comprehensive study to show proof and the US has provided that.
Yeap, confirming it was not just a biased observation but objective reality instead
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Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny… well done USA
Yeah my dude, just because I carry or have firearms doesn’t mean I’m obligated to protect you or your rights.
YOU have an obligation to provide for your safety and to advocate for your rights.
If there was a public shooting, I have no legal obligation to protect anyone. My goal would be to find a place of safety for me and my family and use my gun to eliminate or at least dissuade the attacker from going after me and mine. You and yours are on your own.
We are also not nearly at the point of armed rebellion or insurrection here in the US. If you feel this strongly about it perhaps you should take responsibility for yourself and arm yourself instead of depending on others to do it for you.
Yeah my dude, just because I carry or have firearms doesn’t mean I’m obligated to protect you or your rights.
Anyone with common sense would have spotted that… but the sole reason your constitution allows such carefree access to guns was supposed to be so you can defend YOUR OWN COUNTRY against fascism…
The point being in that it is now proven there is no value in allowing people to freely carry guns; it’s a net detriment to society
YOU have an obligation to provide for your safety and to advocate for your rights.
As a Canadian I do, we just do it in a civic way as Fascism has not hit us yet…
If there was a public shooting, I have no legal obligation to protect anyone. My goal would be to find a place of safety for me and my family and use my gun to eliminate or at least dissuade the attacker from going after me and mine. You and yours are on your own.
Nobody is asking you… but you keep missing the part where a public shooting is a reality for you since so many people can have guns with almost no preparation, safety or responsibility. Feel free to keep living in your Rambo hero fantasy
We are also not nearly at the point of armed rebellion or insurrection here in the US
Let me guess, you think that because they have not come for you yet?.. “fuck you, got mine” is a lousy way to build a society
Anyone with common sense would have spotted that… but the sole reason your constitution allows such carefree access to guns was supposed to be so you can defend YOUR OWN COUNTRY against fascism… The point being in that it is now proven there is no value in allowing people to freely carry guns; it’s a net detriment to society
There are many reasons the right to gun ownership is enshrined in the constitution. Resisting or eliminating tyranny is the most extreme example. But anyone not trying to make hyperbolic anti-2A statements would know this. There is great value in carrying guns. Statistically speaking conceal and carry card holders are the most law abiding segment of society.
As a Canadian I do, we just do it in a civic way as Fascism has not hit us yet…
Lol, your Conservative Party candidate Pierre Poilievre was well on his way to winning handily until Trump derailed him with his 51st state and tariff antics. I also seem to remember far right truckers shutting down your highways a few years ago. As much as Canadians love to think they are different from the US, you’re not. You just might get lucky that Trump scared your moderate voters away from facism.
Nobody is asking you… but you keep missing the part where a public shooting is a reality for you since so many people can have guns with almost no preparation, safety or responsibility. Feel free to keep living in your Rambo hero fantasy
Your moral compass seems to lack direction. You were just advocating for armed insurrection in the US on your last post. Now you advocate for non violence? BTW Rambo fantasy? How is stating that you would finding a safe place and defending your life with your firearm instead of run and gunning it with an active shooter a Rambo fantasy? You seem to have such a rabid anti gun stance that it clouds your judgement.
Let me guess, you think that because they have not come for you yet?.. “fuck you, got mine” is a lousy way to build a society.
See my statement above about advocating for violence and then condemning. This is truly Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify your hypocrisy.
There are many reasons the right to gun ownership is enshrined in the constitution
There is literally only one. It has been twisted into a pretzel of ignorance and illogical fallacies but there is only one. If you think there are more than 1, I’d be happy to read the source
Lol, your Conservative Party candidate Pierre Poilievre was well on his way to winning handily until Trump derailed him
Correct, thanks for the live example. Unlike Americans, it seems we noticed and learned… you lived through the first tRump term and decided you wanted more punishment
Your moral compass seems to lack direction. You were just advocating for armed insurrection in the US on your last post. Now you advocate for non violence?
No, your reading comprehension lacks competence. The USA is under a fascist regime and as such, an armed resistance should be forming. Canada is not under the same threat (except from the USA) and more importantly, we do not have the “right to bear arms” for a well regulated militia.
See my statement above about advocating for violence and then condemning.
A complete non-sequitur… My comment on you having the “fuck you, got mine” mentality is based entirely on your claim you are not willing to move a finger for anyone other than yourself AND that you do not think tRump is enough of a dictator to do anything about it. I am simply pointing out that you think the tRump has not “crossed the line” is that you have not been personally affected by his fascist government. It has literally zero to do with my suggestion an armed resistance should form nor am I even condemning it at all LOL
The only violence I am condemning in my comment is the fact that the idiots armed in the USA only brought school shootings… and yes, I condemn school shootings, don’t you? let me guess, it has not affected you directly so probably you’d say “we are not there yet”
There is literally only one. It has been twisted into a pretzel of ignorance and illogical fallacies but there is only one. If you think there are more than 1, I’d be happy to read the source
Feel free to read it, seems like you could use an education.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/
Correct, thanks for the live example. Unlike Americans, it seems we noticed and learned… you lived through the first tRump term and decided you wanted more punishment
Lol, please Canadians learned nothing until Trump started talking trash about Canada. Before then Canadians saw Trump v1 and decided they wanted their own shit tier version with French subtitles. BTW I voted for the lady with the economics degree. I didn’t vote for this shit.
No, your reading comprehension lacks competence. The USA is under a fascist regime and as such, an armed resistance should be forming. Canada is not under the same threat (except from the USA) and more importantly, we do not have the “right to bear arms” for a well regulated militia.
I can read just fine. Once again you seem to be advocating for armed violence. BTW YOU are the one who decided to comment about our American 2A rights and now you want to crawl away and hide behind your lack of rights. Pathetic.
A complete non-sequitur… My comment on you having the “fuck you, got mine” mentality is based entirely on your claim you are not willing to move a finger for anyone other than yourself AND that you do not think tRump is enough of a dictator to do anything about it. I am simply pointing out that you think the tRump has not “crossed the line” is that you have not been personally affected by his fascist government. It has literally zero to do with my suggestion an armed resistance should form nor am I even condemning it at all LOL The only violence I am condemning in my comment is the fact that the idiots armed in the USA only brought school shootings… and yes, I condemn school shootings, don’t you? let me guess, it has not affected you directly so probably you’d say “we are not there yet”
Wow that was amazing, contradicting yourself in back to back sentences. You start out by stating I’m a selfish jerk for not actively shooting people who are shooting at me. Then you advocate for me to shoot people who are not shooting at me. Then you top it off with a tangent about school shootings where you then condemn shooting people.
Pick a lane and stay in it. You sound like a 🤡.
To be clear, the only stance I have taken is for self defense and that I have no obligation to put myself in danger defending you. I also advocate that we are no where near the need for armed violence against others.
Feel free to read it, seems like you could use an education.
This is exactly the ONE justification I kept referring to. Thanks for proving my point
I can read just fine. Once again you seem to be advocating for armed violence…
If you can’t tell the difference between school shootings and fighting Fascism, I can’t help you. You are either trolling, morally bankrupt or just dim.
That’s not the real reason for the amendment. This is one of the few things where the real reason is right there in the text itself.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
It was so they could easily assemble a defense force without the need of a standing army just like they did at the start of the revolution. Not so the peasant masses could more easily overthrow them.
Well yes but the current interpretation was that peasant masses could defend themselves from tyrannical governments… it has always been a pretzel of logic but that is what they pushed and why the USA is such a violent mess now
TFW a revolution against the government is just another part of your ruggedly individualistic grindset
If you want to have that victim mentality grindset and be dependent upon others that is entirely your decision.
Lol yeah dude you’re gonna be Indiana Jones surviving a nuke by hiding in the fridge 💪
It says a lot about you when you choose to cite the weakest Indiana Jones movie.
But hey your the one who’s plan is to wait for someone else to save you sooo… 🤷🏻
Dude, my plan is to let keyboard warriors make themselves look ridiculous between meetings and then have a couple beers after work.
The original post was about how the whole meal team six refrain of “the 2nd amendment will prevent tyranny” was also a lie, which you help prove with every post.
I’m not a huge war buff, but I think to have a successful revolution you’ll probably need to have a friend first.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a revolution in which one buff guy managed to beat a military by having washboard abs and a closet full of rifles, and I doubt you’ll be the first.
Because they’re all afraid of reprisals from the trump regime
The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it. Us regular jack offs have no such limitations.
As to why people are speculating that he’s dead? For one, the place does appear to be a literal death camp. Also, officials in the Administration have admitted he was deported “in error” (though there have been conflicting statements over this and at least one firing). Since any sane person would want to fix a mistake of this magnitude, you could see why them refusing to might make people wonder.
The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it.
You have forgotten the /s
I am not joking, but I get your joke.
“Broadly” is doing a lot of work here. There is an increasing number of media producers who print whatever they fucking feel like.
The press are just government cheerleaders these days
When/if the judge starts arresting people involving, the charges need to be for murder. If they can prove that he’s alive, the charges can be lowered to abduction and attempted murder, plus everything. Throw the fucking book at them, and find a way to make it not federal, pardonable charges.
Murder, Human trafficking, contempt of court, kidnapping… long list,
The state attorney general can file charges at the state level. There is no way the people who snatched the guy had a valid arrest warrant. These are just Proud Boys and Oath Keepers with badges given to them by Trump for being racists.
While I agree, who is going to do the prosecution? The DOJ is compromised.
I swear I read that a judge can appoint an independent prosecutor. Can’t remember where though.
The judge stated that if the DoJ didn’t prosecute he would assign a special prosecutor.
He’s not fucking around.
He is fucking around. You know what’s going to come of this? This judge is going to be discredited and impeached, or he will be overseeing traffic court in Fargo.
You may want to quit drinking that Mike Johnson flavor-ade, because the fascists don’t have the Senate votes to do a damn thing.
Yeah they’re just spending all their time confirming Trump’s cronies. Great job from them.
Doesn’t take a Senate majority to send a judge to Cecot
Or he might be the one who gets to “visit” this prisoner.
If it’s civil, the DOJ can eat a bag of dicks.
And the Pentagon (military) is also compromised
Whose going to arrest them?
US courts rarely deputize militias and even if they do the courts don’t run prisons or holding cells.
Without the consent of the executive the judicial has no power to arrest.
Bounty hunters. I think we’re at that point.
I don’t understand what justification El Salvador has for keeping a man imprisoned who never broke any of their laws. Can I pay them to hold my neighbour in prison? How much does it cost?
Depends, what’s your neighbor look like?
If your neighbor causes enough trouble for Trump, we might just find out.
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Man delete this gross ass shit fuck you.
I’ll take your wife
what in the hell is going on
Evil is running the world, I mean, more than usual.
Guy’s probably already dead.
We have a President trafficking humans right in front of our eyes.
