Ding ding! Articles like these are trying to get you to say, “Yeah, I agree that Hunter should be prosecuted. Yeah, there are two tiers of justice,” after which, they steer the narrative to the right.
Getting people to agree on basic facts or ideas that are weakly linked (or maybe not even at all) is a tactic of persuasion.
How is the left reasonably addressing what the right are happy to exaggerate leading people to the right? Doesn’t ignoring it and letting the right own the issue lead people to the right?
No. Because the right doesn’t traffic in facts. Reality is a nuisance. They want you to engage honestly, but they have no such need or compulsion. Engaging honestly tacitly implies their claims are worth honest engagement. It gives them credit, while they can discredit you with lies they can invent wholecloth.
What needs to be pointed out is this thinly veiled attempt to propagandize for the right.
They don’t want you to have a basic understanding of issues they are greatly exaggerating so you can explain to people what’s actually going on without propagandizing it? This kind of sounds insane that you think being able to explain right wing exaggerations in a grounded way helps the right. Tail between the legs sort of thinking there.
That’s not what I said. If people want to engage honestly, then you can explain what’s going on, but articles like these are acting like It’s Hunter Biden that’s the last straw. Where were they when Jared Kushner was doing the same shit? Or Trump? Or any other rich asshole? They don’t need to use Hunter’s name at all, but the fact that they are headlining him specifically means their bent is to the right.
We can (I hope) have an honest conversation, but with regards to this article, it’s propaganda designed to sway naive people to the right.
The right don’t want to know what’s going on they exaggerate it, this is what’s going on and it’s not exaggerated, it’s smart to name Hunter because this is a specific election issue regarding him personally the right will be exaggerating to insane levels. Knowing what’s actually going on is obviously a good thing and people shouldn’t be shy or censored about addressing it, that’s just pathetic IMO and only helps the right. That this is an election issue can’t be dismissed, the right have the power to make this an election issue and we don’t control that. The best response is a reasoned one that informs and doubles-down on how elites should, but are, treated differently by the justice system. That’s exactly the point being made here.
Hunter is not relevant to the larger discussion of the rich getting free passes, insomuch as he needs to be a headline. That just gives credence to the weak impeachment efforts from House Republicans trying to tie Hunter to his father. Hunter is not a novel case, and we cannot fail to recognize the effects of running his name as a headline for this issue.
And that’s what I take umbrage with. I agree the rich should be held accountable. But these headlines help the extreme right, since too many rarely read past the headline. The author/editor are using his name on purpose, and the only people doing that and wringing their hands saying, “Wow, isn’t this a problem?” are the bobble heads on the right.
Hunter is relevant because the right have the power to make him relevant in their campaigning which we don’t have control over. If someone on the right read this they would be surprised it doesn’t include the conspiracy extended universe and think “hey at least the left agrees this is bad.” I’m basing this on how I view anti-Trump neocons like McCain, like at least they have that shred of integrity to address it. Democrat supporters who insist this isn’t relevant and should be buried… you don’t have the luxury to determine that.
If someone on the right read this they would be surprised it doesn’t include the conspiracy extended universe and think “hey at least the left agrees this is bad.”
I think you’re missing the part where this already happens, and you’re overstating the effect.
For example, I agree with conspiracy theorists that the wealthy elite are a social scourge. That doesn’t mean I think they’re somehow reasonable people who arrived at those conclusions with objective evidence or that their other views are worth exploring.
Likewise, seeing that the left agrees on certain topics doesn’t mean their political needle will move left. Plus, you can (and people do) wave it away with thought terminating clichés, like, “Okay, there’s a few reasonable libs, but most of them still don’t care!”
I don’t think Hunter’s actions deserve to be buried, but they’re getting far and away more attention than they deserve, and it’s that part of the equation that’s the problem. Name me one person who evaded taxes then paid them back or did drugs and illegally signed a gun ownership form as a private citizen who wound up in front of Congress.
This article is just more political theater. Hunter Biden is mentioned, because they want you to draw the line between wealthy elites’ special tier of justice and Joe Biden. They don’t have to mention Hunter in the headline to discuss the two tiers of justice, but they made the conscious choice to do so, and that only helps the bad-faith actors on the right continue making mountains out of molehills.
Hunter is relevant because the right have the power to make him relevant in their campaigning which we don’t have control over…Democrat supporters who insist this isn’t relevant and should be buried… you don’t have the luxury to determine that.
Precisely my point. Nothing you do will change the message of the right wing propaganda machine. Facts aren’t going to sway their faithful. Teaching people to recognize when they’re being played (i.e. recognizing that this article is unnecessarily headlining Hunter), is the only remedy.
Ding ding! Articles like these are trying to get you to say, “Yeah, I agree that Hunter should be prosecuted. Yeah, there are two tiers of justice,” after which, they steer the narrative to the right.
Getting people to agree on basic facts or ideas that are weakly linked (or maybe not even at all) is a tactic of persuasion.
How is the left reasonably addressing what the right are happy to exaggerate leading people to the right? Doesn’t ignoring it and letting the right own the issue lead people to the right?
No. Because the right doesn’t traffic in facts. Reality is a nuisance. They want you to engage honestly, but they have no such need or compulsion. Engaging honestly tacitly implies their claims are worth honest engagement. It gives them credit, while they can discredit you with lies they can invent wholecloth.
What needs to be pointed out is this thinly veiled attempt to propagandize for the right.
They don’t want you to have a basic understanding of issues they are greatly exaggerating so you can explain to people what’s actually going on without propagandizing it? This kind of sounds insane that you think being able to explain right wing exaggerations in a grounded way helps the right. Tail between the legs sort of thinking there.
That’s not what I said. If people want to engage honestly, then you can explain what’s going on, but articles like these are acting like It’s Hunter Biden that’s the last straw. Where were they when Jared Kushner was doing the same shit? Or Trump? Or any other rich asshole? They don’t need to use Hunter’s name at all, but the fact that they are headlining him specifically means their bent is to the right.
We can (I hope) have an honest conversation, but with regards to this article, it’s propaganda designed to sway naive people to the right.
The right don’t want to know what’s going on they exaggerate it, this is what’s going on and it’s not exaggerated, it’s smart to name Hunter because this is a specific election issue regarding him personally the right will be exaggerating to insane levels. Knowing what’s actually going on is obviously a good thing and people shouldn’t be shy or censored about addressing it, that’s just pathetic IMO and only helps the right. That this is an election issue can’t be dismissed, the right have the power to make this an election issue and we don’t control that. The best response is a reasoned one that informs and doubles-down on how elites should, but are, treated differently by the justice system. That’s exactly the point being made here.
Hunter is not relevant to the larger discussion of the rich getting free passes, insomuch as he needs to be a headline. That just gives credence to the weak impeachment efforts from House Republicans trying to tie Hunter to his father. Hunter is not a novel case, and we cannot fail to recognize the effects of running his name as a headline for this issue.
And that’s what I take umbrage with. I agree the rich should be held accountable. But these headlines help the extreme right, since too many rarely read past the headline. The author/editor are using his name on purpose, and the only people doing that and wringing their hands saying, “Wow, isn’t this a problem?” are the bobble heads on the right.
Hunter is relevant because the right have the power to make him relevant in their campaigning which we don’t have control over. If someone on the right read this they would be surprised it doesn’t include the conspiracy extended universe and think “hey at least the left agrees this is bad.” I’m basing this on how I view anti-Trump neocons like McCain, like at least they have that shred of integrity to address it. Democrat supporters who insist this isn’t relevant and should be buried… you don’t have the luxury to determine that.
I think you’re missing the part where this already happens, and you’re overstating the effect.
For example, I agree with conspiracy theorists that the wealthy elite are a social scourge. That doesn’t mean I think they’re somehow reasonable people who arrived at those conclusions with objective evidence or that their other views are worth exploring.
Likewise, seeing that the left agrees on certain topics doesn’t mean their political needle will move left. Plus, you can (and people do) wave it away with thought terminating clichés, like, “Okay, there’s a few reasonable libs, but most of them still don’t care!”
I don’t think Hunter’s actions deserve to be buried, but they’re getting far and away more attention than they deserve, and it’s that part of the equation that’s the problem. Name me one person who evaded taxes
then paid them backor did drugs and illegally signed a gun ownership form as a private citizen who wound up in front of Congress.This article is just more political theater. Hunter Biden is mentioned, because they want you to draw the line between wealthy elites’ special tier of justice and Joe Biden. They don’t have to mention Hunter in the headline to discuss the two tiers of justice, but they made the conscious choice to do so, and that only helps the bad-faith actors on the right continue making mountains out of molehills.
Precisely my point. Nothing you do will change the message of the right wing propaganda machine. Facts aren’t going to sway their faithful. Teaching people to recognize when they’re being played (i.e. recognizing that this article is unnecessarily headlining Hunter), is the only remedy.