The ages most represented among the dead were five to nine-year-olds.

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Yep, even if it was to underline that they continued to lie afterwards, the documentary could have talked about the famous instance of the “Hamas calendar”(, i don’t remember all of their lies), that hospitals or civil structures’ destruction was justified because it was a “Hamas base”, or when they said that it was a headquarter and they faked the existence of tunnels(, i.i.r.c.), or showed a picture of weapons in the m.r.i. room, and the first thing they did was to disable the c.c.t.v.s in the hospital when they came in, and their refusal to let journalists investigate anything, and many more, this documentary only focuses on the 7th of October, but it’d have been nice to list of the lies shamelessly brought in any conflict.
Also worth watching, among others : https://youtu.be/kPE6vbKix6A
And even if everyone knows, an article in April wrote that « Up to 57% of buildings in the Strip have been destroyed or damaged, according to analysis carried out at the University of Oregon » (here), and it wasn’t in the crossfire of a war, just a plain unilateral destruction by anti-palestinians.

A simple, but accurate i think, way to paint the situation would be to write that Israel is saying : « Love/Accept us unconditionally, or die », this unconditionally is what’s unaccepted and what should be the topic of discussion in medias seeking a solution.
Especially because the conditions are exceedingly simple : their treatment of palestinians(, including the refugees/exiled,) with their capital in East Jerusalem, the removal of all of their illegal colonies, and a.n alignment/friendliness with its neighbors. I’m ashamed that they ask for almost nothing in exchange for Israel’s implementation.
If that’s indeed the case and they don’t have other demands, then it’s important to note that the first&third conditions arise from the second one : remove the colonies, create a second state and help palestinians, and they’ll make peace with their neighbours.
As for making peace with Hamas as well, or a palestinian political party emerging from this good will, i can’t predict the future, even future governments will continue to be hated, Israel will stay safe as long as Palestine will be less developed, and they can play on their relations with their new friendly neighbours during the following decades to influence the future generations of palestinians.
A long edit to simply point out that the existence of the colonies(, and refusal of a palestinian state with East-Jerusalem as its capital,) is the only demand of their neighbours, when i discovered that i was surprised, Iran included at least officially sometimes, and Israel is still refusing, their greed is the only threat to their security.
(Or i’m wrong, and israelis are right to believe that they’ll never be accepted even by agreeing to a two-states solution(, which will eventually peacefully reunite one day), and removing their colonies, with nuclear weapons, etc., in which case beating people&countries into submission would be their way forward, overthrowing any country as long as they’re not unconditionally accepted.)

It’s worth adding something, because if the problem isn’t (only )their greed, but their belief that making concessions wouldn’t prevent a.n invasion&destruction of Israel, solely because promises can be broken, then the problem is solvable :

• First, they’ll need to obtain the words of all their neighbours, including palestinians if possible(, that’d probably be a requirement for Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, …). Palestinians should at least ask for 50% of Israel’s territory, as well as hundreds/thousands of billions for palestinian( refugees). Israelis can write ahead that they will aim for a peaceful reunification for future generations, as some countries do.
• Then, the hardest part is done and they’re saved. While they’ll not only have to act in the future for a stronger u.n., they can right now emit a range of measures ensuring continued good relations, with medias and populations polling requirements, with economic relations/interconnectedness, an efficient military&judiciary protection shared between each other(, while waiting for an even more effective protection/security in the future for every country), … If these requirements aren’t met by their neighbours and there’s no attempt at following them, then sanctions by the whole community would take effect, if Israel’s reason to refuse removing their colonies isn’t their greed but that weakening themselves wouldn’t solve anything, and that you simply can’t negotiate with people who refuse to negotiate, then they’d have to work on these requirements but they can be satisfied, it isn’t that hard, so i’m refusing the validity of the only reason i see for them to refuse giving up their settlements and finally making peace with their neighbours.

(i’ve reached the limit of characters so i can’t develop in the selftext on why Russia’s invasion was more of a necessity for survival than a desire to avoid a future burden. I’ve also stopped documenting myself on this topic two years ago and it’s not always that easy to understand the russian point of view on the western part of the Internet, but if they speak of a necessity then i trust them, they’re not risking a nuclear annihilation on a whim and have warned about this for at least 20 years. If Ukraine joins the n.a.t.o. then the rest of the ex-u.s.s.r. is most likely to follow, a buffer state seems like a centuries-old demand on the russian side that they don’t want to let go of, but i’ve no doubts that i’ve ignored many more arguments, and i don’t see why the n.a.t.o. would “need” Ukraine for its defense or for anything else apart from getting even closer to Russia, billions of dollars well spent since 1991(&before))

Only 5.000 views, wtf…

“My name is Matt Nelson, and I’m about to engage in an extreme act of protest.
We are all culpable in the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
We call ourselves the greatest nation in history, yet we spend more on weapons of war than we do on educating our children, helping the homeless, ensuring all Americans have equal rights, and protecting the environment combined.
We are slaves to capitalism and the military industrial complex. Most of us are too apathetic to care.
The protest I am about to engage in is a call to our government to stop supplying Israel with the money and weapons it uses to imprison and murder innocent Palestinians, to pressure Israel to end the genocide in Gaza, and to support the ICC indictment of Benjamin Netanyahu and other members of the Israeli government.
I urge any of you who are of the same mind to call your senators and representatives and demand that they introduce and advance legislation to achieve these goals. If sitting lawmakers won’t, vote for those who will.
A democracy is supposed to serve the will of the people, not the interests of the wealthy.
Take the power back. Free Palestine.”

Here, i’m trying to add nuances to what i wrote, i guess that i don’t have time to really argue on the Internet with people who’d disagree with me, yet the desire is still very much there, i don’t like echo chambers :

We’ll regret our current republic if times go 't/r’ough, since that usually means a more authoritarian governement.
Without robot-slaves, it’d also seem unavoidable that the wealthier will desire a higher rent to sustain a way of living and live above the peasants, if they need 10 times the peasant’s salary to do so, then we’d tend towards 10% of (neo-)nobles and 90% of (neo-)peasants.
It’s true that every(?) society of large enough scale was divided between the workers, (the soldiers, the clergy, …), and the privileged class, who didn’t have to work(, except for taking care of h.is.er fortune). One could argue that nobles of the past had more responsabilities than nowadays capitalists(, as well as an even more pronounced inequality in the face of the judicial system), but it’d be more interesting to know if technology will avoid the return to the “natural” order between the laborious class and the noble/annuitant one.

There’s a future in which capitalism could still lead to a utopia, e.g. with robot-slaves, that’d make my/our fears wrong :

Despite what i wrote in this comment, better times are ahead, in particular thanks to these “robot-slaves”, and while everyone wants more, i don’t think we’re evil to the point of refusing a mostly labor-free life to every human on earth if we have the capacity to do so.
Capitalism wouldn’t announce an horrible future if we can still eat freely, if money/‘renting your body/time’ stop being a necessity, it could lead to some socialist ideals in a utopia.
I refuse to be cynical to the point of believing that the capitalists’ greed would be more important to them than allowing technology to free wo.men from (the loss of their entire lives to )work.s they hate.

Perhaps will i be old enough to see that happening, i don’t think that we’re evil, and i dare think that nobody is, we could very well be allowed to live in a utopia, they don’t hate their population.
Hence, i don’t really care of what we’re doing in our countries, if capitalists want to stay in power and enjoy their privileges, then so be it.

The solution to our fight against other countries, to our desire of security, to the threat of cultural hegemony, would be to be united in diversity, it’s doable&desirable :

What’s annoying is refusing to allow/‘live with’ countries that want to walk a different path, we need this diversity to think ouside the box, if every creation is a little birth then every synthesis is a little death.
We have to cohabitate, and while i’d prefer to live in a communist utopia like everyone on Lemmygrad, i wouldn’t want capitalism(, royalism, etc.,) to disappear all over the world, it’s their problem, and it’s interesting to know how they’ll evolve.

The usual counter-argument is that we have to coup/“convert” other countries because it makes us more secure, i don’t think that cultural hegemony is the only way to prevent military invasions, and i’d go as far as to say that it’s also not the only way to prevent covert operations and foreign propaganda, we need to have rules against them and a way to enforce them.
Capitalists would have to be certain that their privileges wouldn’t be overthrtrown by a communist revolution for them to accept socialist countries.
Or perhaps that these “robot-slaves” will make useless this need for a superior monetary/social position, having your basic needs met should be enough for everyone, independent communities with their own rules could flourish in the “land of the free”, who knows what the future has in store.

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If the only reason for the moderator to have deleted my comment is that it was confusing h.im.er as said in the modlog, then i hope that these titles quickly written will have solved the problem. If that really was the only motive for deletion.

If the real problem is only that it is too confusing, if i’m to believe the moderator, then here it is with explanations :

Answer to -6-6-6- about France as a vassal of the 3rd most populated country on Earth, the u.s.a., or, in his words, « France, like the rest of Europe, grovels at the will of the American Empire and does exactly what it demands of it. » :

Oh yeah(, the last paragraphs of https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1823393948775133302 stayed on my mind, and divided we(sterners) will be more easily conquerable), 100%, you won’t find many people here to contradict you.

Answer to the rest of -6-6-6-'s answer about the influence of wealth in our society or, in his words, « The funny part is that in France the capitalist bourgeoise also control the government and just use different mechanisms of power to do so. » :

On medias ownership in capitalist-owned countries :

The most obvious is the control of the medias, it’d be different if every single french media was saying that Venezuela is awesome and mocking the awful capitalists for being conspiratorial about the elections of countries they dislike.
Instead, every single french media will underline that venezuelans need to be saved from a tyrant, the same goes for other countries.
That’s why american medias could easily make Bernie Sanders president if they changed their definition of “objectivity”.
That’s why most people never heard of the awesome Jill Stein or other 3rd party candidates, France is obviously no exception with little candidates hardly spoken of.

On preventing citizens to present themselves in an election in capitalist-owned countries :

A less obvious one is that in France we don’t even need to explicitly ban political opponents(, awful when it happens in Venezuela, but not in Ecuador or many other countries, they almost succeeded with D.Trump, and apparently succeeded with R.Kennedy), we only have to require candidates to have hundreds of signatures/endorsements from mayors.
Hence, only a handful of candidates manage to get these endorsements, and not only did this number of required signatures went up, but it’s not anonymous anymore(, with the possibility of repercussions).
As expected, while anti-Europe or anti-imperialist candidates could have gotten enough signatures in the past(, strangely), they don’t anymore(, and even if they did the medias wouldn’t talk about such a little candidate, frankly never heard of by people i’ve spoken to).
Even very large political parties only get their signatures in the last weeks, weird.
My candidate would have been Clara Egger on this list of the citizens who tried to have these signatures, but i’ve never heard of most of them.

On election fraud in capitalist-owned countries :

And that’s not even considering that they may be cheating, which wouldn’t surprise me honestly.

Other influences of capitalists :

Obviously it doesn’t stop there : you need money in politics, and the thieves/capitalists sponsors don’t want ‘to give back’/taxes. Medias aren’t enough for our oligarchs, they also want control over the education, survey institutes, think tanks, as well as helping our capitalist-owned state in meddling in foreign countries, which is the real crime here i.m.o. : destroy your country if you want, but leave others alone.

Conclusion about elections :

People aren’t stupid, on the contrary, but they don’t have the time to document themselves, they don’t know that we’re being manipulated.

Out-of-topic : On Israel and the medias :

I do have to acknowledge that i expected more support for Israel, but the latter only said that it wants to take revenge for the (very partial )revenge taken by palestinians on Oct.7th. Israel tried to argue that it was more than revenge that guided its actions/‘useless murders’, but the argument of protection wasn’t bought by our medias, and since we agreed on our previous western wars that revenge was enough of a motive, Israel thought that it didn’t need to do more(, we did pretend that the hostages weren’t released because of “Hamas”, and not because Israel refused to agree with a permanent ceasefire in exchange).
Still, i expected more support for Israel, not sure if/‘how much’ it helped in restraining israelis.

Out-of-topic : On the medias and the islamists fighters/separatists/heroes/terrorists/rebels/martyrs/humans/murderers/victims/…{choose your denomination} in western Africa :

A good example of propaganda is that islamists in the Alliance of Sahel States are now progressively painted as the good guys since they’re fighting Russia(, even if i don’t expect us to go very far in that direction, we didn’t talk a lot about them in the past and will continue to do so, but the shift of narrative is very obvious, they’re promoted from terrorists to rebels now). Unbelievable i know since we fought them until very recently, and at least as late as president Hollande, but it’s similar to what we did with Bin-Laden in Afghanistan against the soviets after all(, or in Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Xinjiang, …, whatever serves our temporary interest).

To be fair, a reminder that censorship/bias/manipulation isn’t only anti-communist, but on both sides of the Overton window(, which doesn’t have only two directions b.t.w.) :

And the propaganda isn’t only anti-communist, but anti-fascist as well(, the far-right doesn’t identify itself with fascism though). Of course, you’re not going to like this obvious statement, and rightly state that at least far-right movements are supported by some billionaires, it’s just that the censorship&manipulation is directed towards both sides of the Overton window.

A reminder that more direct state censorship is also practiced in western countries :

Then there’s also direct state censorship, with so many examples(, “disinformation”, anti-“terrorism apologia”, “foreign actors”, even Rumble has been banned), but oligarch manipulations is probably more influent, not as if it was a competition.
Sure, things could be worse, especially since we still have the Internet(, for now ?), but keeping power isn’t that hard to do, even if the global distrust towards (legacy/mainstream )medias is a growing thorn is the side.

Oh, i was thinking that the confusion you were alluding to was about the last paragraphs that were added.

It has been deleted but you can still read it in the modlog if you want me to develop 1-2 paragraph.

https://lemmy.ml/post/18928441/12863732
I’ll agree that the comment above wasn’t anti-capitalist enough to be posted here.

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America’s weird for never voting 3rd parties, i personally don’t care to vote for someone who’ll only get 1% in the end, and certainly wouldn’t vote for the “lesser evil” as long as i have a choice.
Well, that’s an american thing i never understood, i hope that France won’t end up as much of a two-party system as the u.s., 🤷

They killed negotiators as well, and there’s a possibility that they’d kill V.Zelensky if he (re)joined Belarus and Russia at the expense of their european “dream”.

If i’m cynical, and pretend that we can know the future(, afghans and many others, including separatists during colonization, or communists during the Cold War, proved that some impossible fights can be won despite the odds) :

• If palestinians can win, then they will take back their land, and the jewish dream of rebuilding the Jerusalem’s temple will disappear. Jews will still be able to live on these lands, but not with their own laws(, an ethnostate isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s a preservation of diversity).
• If palestinians can’t win, then they should do what they can to enable a two-states solution, and in my eyes it’s the right-wing part of israelis politicians that prevented many attempts, at least from what i know. I’ve talked elsewhere of other solutions, but i don’t know. I like the idea of a world united to colonize, e.g., Mars, in order to give it to the whole islamic community in exchange, but i guess that it would be taken even less seriously than giving palestinians a part of Europe or the u.s.a., way better than the one they’re losing, and a one-state solution wouldn’t be the jewish ethnostate israelis want.
  I don’t know, they can’t just submit and die, or lose their land(, without receiving something of equal value), it’s clearly not fair, and hence can/must not be accepted. The palestinian suffering of these last decades is more obvious than the israelis we’re supposed to pity. I don’t see why Israel isn’t satisfied with the lands they already have, i don’t know what palestinians can still do at this point.
• Besides palestinians, if we’re considering a united muslim world, and if it can’t win as well, then it would have preferred if Israel was at its fringes and not in its heart/center, that’s a shard. However, judaism is not a foreign religion, and we’re still talking of a relatively small territory. If there’s no choice, then Israel could perhaps be seen as a way to keep a bond somewhere with the origins of islam.
  Israel will/can never be as important as real (large )countries : the Maghreb, the Arabic peninsula, Türkiye, Persia/Iran, the north of India and even further east and north, the muslim world is so vast that they could afford a shard, even in its heart, and that’d be a bit like a museum, with muslims tourists going to Israel interested to see what people believed in the times of the Prophet, and grateful that we kept a.n originality/curiosity like this one.
  It’d be thinking that they didn’t unilaterally lost a land by agreeing to a “two-states solution” with the borders of 1967, but obtained a weird one in exchange, some kind of relic of the past, a curiosity that the muslim world(, as a whole,) could afford due to its vastness(, unfortunately still not united enough according to me, since they didn’t defend each other in the past, it’s so insulting to criticize them, and say that they shouldn’t be poor, but it’s the fate of many continents, i’ll always bet on them and i hope that they’ll be back stronger than ever soon, e.g., french people would emigrate to Algeria because the salary would be twice the french average, if the world is still as unfair as the current one).

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• If ukrainians can win, they’ll be able to help in destroying/westernizing Russia.
• If they don’t, then i don’t see why it’d be so awful to abandon their n.a.t.o&e.u. desire(, they could even gain more than their territories by uniting with Belarus&Russia again). A frozen conflict has also been mentioned.
  They wouldn’t necessarily have to follow many russian laws, in the same way that european countries have european laws, what they’d only really lose is their ability to help anti-russians, i suppose.
  The history/past(, as well as post-1991 events,), their geographical position, or the concentration of Russia ‘on its west’/‘around Moscow’, are factors that made russians consider that Ukraine would be too dangerous in the hands of enemies(partners?). I’ll add that the population has always been manipulated by the powerful/wealthy and that state entities also had an interest in manipulating ukrainians ; so, while Russia tried its best to manipulate as much as it could, it didn’t succeed.
  Being asked to come back is not the worst sacrifice one could imagine, they were a team after all, it’s such a waste. I know that such a change of side wouldn’t happen overnight so i don’t think it will, it’s only my personal belief it should. They will probably choose to be some kind of demilitarized “buffer state”, and perhaps that links could be created again along the following decades, or russian presidents would fail somehow, and lose Ukraine again.
  Switching to the west despite the bad economic outcomes resulting from listening to us doesn’t make sense either, they made a decision in 1991, because they expected results that weren’t obtained in more than one part. Perhaps that this thing of giving to their citizens companies’ shares could have worked with some more rules, such as not being able to sell them, i.d.k., it’s not people here that would tell they shouldn’t be proud of their past. Before them socialism was only an idea, they proved it worked, and vigorously, they survived but apparently afterwards were promised peace if the Cold War ended.
  Peace with a country won’t happen until its submission, unless we find a way to stop fearing the rise of opponents.

And :

• If israelis can win, they’ll be able to take the lands they want, even from Lebanon why not.
• If they can’t, then there’s no reason to refuse the two-states solution i guess, as well as finding a way to improve their relations with their neighbours, if it’s possible. Perhaps that one day the israeli army would fight against ‘the u.s.a.’/Russia/China/‘a.n african/european country’/… alongside an islamic country in order to defend them.
  The Holy Quran talks with a lot of respect of jewish prophets, religious people should go along well, i clearly don’t believe in some kind of inherent antisemitism in islam(, on the contrary)(, and they obviously wouldn’t care about Israel at all if it was in Europe or the u.s.a. instead). Jewish people will always be people that should convert(, like the samaritans of the past), but they’re not enemies. (Religions were supposedly enough to bring the Kingdom/City of God upon Earth…)

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• If russians can win, they’ll destroy the western part of Ukraine that refuses to join them(, they’ve stopped at the anti-n.a.t.o. part), by putting them on their side, or forcing a part of them to join a european country such as Poland. They’ll also be able to solve the problem of Transnistria.
• If they can’t, then they’ll be destroyed/westernized. It wasn’t great during the 90s, they’ll be dismantled into a few parts by a western support of separatists, and quite a lot of countries would cease to receive their help.

Not a great comment but, i.d.k., tell me if you have a thought about it ?

Yeah :

And they’re talking elsewhere about being/having proud warriors but are only killing disarmed civilians.

An outdated flag of Afghanistan, here’s the current one, which says : “I bear witness that there is no deity but God, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.”

I’m naturally opposed to their sexual apartheid denying girls the right of education(, they can still read though, and don’t have to work), but they’ve been among the 20 poorest countries for decades, and i can only dream about their honesty towards God’s research/worship/enlightenment/direction/…
I’d need to live among them before ever hoping to understand/judge them adequately, and they can become many great things(, if worthy and که خدای کول evidently/rationally/logically/mystically/really/… ), it wouldn’t have been the same with a country as wealthy as Iraq.
But i don’t know the future, perhaps was it for the best, probably not, i’m an outsider and shouldn’t talk about what i don’t know, it feels like they were right. People dying while shouting/affirming God’s eternal Greatness/Glory/… makes me shiver, it’s perhaps even sadder than thinking about the millions/billions of non-humans currently mistreated, at an industrial scale larger than any human tragedy(, i would hate to have their life, but fortunately they’re only machines without the aptitude to suffer i guess, and they don’t know that they could expect more, we had a duty/power/responsability, we could do more and care for their well-being, invent new ways of making their lives as enjoyable as possible, instead of aiming for a lower selling price, &).
Let’s say that we’re gradually evolving towards less evil and that i’m misrepresenting the virtues of the past(, they did many mistakes but wars were less murderous, people were trying, nobles wrote better than nowadays, non-humans were less objectified, etc., the colonization&‘many genocides’ as well as the most awful form/scale of slavery came afterwards or at the end of this period, but i know it was far from being a blue sky, just that nowadays is so artificial/dishonest, i.d.k., i’m probably wrong,), if so then i hope we’ll continue to progress and soon stop with thefts, lies, …, and live united in diversity finally learning that hegemony isn’t a desirable goal, nor is it necessary. There’s so much to do and also quite a lot of paths to be afraid in front of us, stopping the possibility of wars/conflicts is probably less than 10% of the problems we’re facing.

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Palestinians could have killed the hostages before being killed, but didn’t. There’s still more than a hundred and they’re still being taken care of.
It’s my personal belief that unfair(, because they could have negociated a ceasefire, and i don’t see us supporting a killing of hundreds of israelis in order to liberate palestinian prisoners/hostages, which is arguably what happened the 7th of October since they asked for an exchange of prisoners as if it was their only goal,) massacres like this happened many times in the Middle-East(, Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Yemen, …,) but we’ve never heard of them, not sure why it’s different now. It’s certain that many massacres in south Asia were hidden, african and south-american dictators were also covered as long as they fought communists/utopians.
I’m not going to excuse myself for eternally regretting that they weren’t united, and being banned for that would be one of my proudest accomplishment, lies are fucking everywhere, i’ll never trust what we’re being told about designated enemies, people dying for God and calling for a more virtuous life can’t possibly be the opposite of what they’re preaching, they’re all dead now anyway(, 🇦🇫).

Which would usually mean almost 300.000 more injured(, minor and major). And 400.000 victims represents 20% of Gaza’s population(, a percentage which hasn’t been attained since Vietnam), so i hope that this analysis is wrong.
Apparently Israel’s throwing bombs of 2 tons each, and they destroyed a lot of buildings, so there’s still hope.

But the “polemic” last month when the UN revised the numbers down reminded us of the way that numbers are counted, some are identified, some are reported missing, and it’s unfortunately likely that there’s more deaths not taken into account, still buried under the rubbles without anyone to signal their disappearance.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/gaza-conflict-is-creating-a-generation-of-child-amputees

A majority of the links are from the u.n.(, o.c.h.a. included,) though(, but yep, some of them are from twitter or newspapers and could eventually ‘have been directly replaced by an archive link’/‘be deleted afterwards’).

The title isn’t exact :

Moreover, their relations were only re-instaured after the western-supported coup by J.Añez :

(Here’s Colombia’s president 6 hours ago b.t.w., among other examples)

(no need to point out that it would be safer for them not to take position for//against any side. The article also spoke of Argentina, here’s an interesting 2mn-long point of view)

I don’t entirely agree with my comment either, because there’s multiple interpretation of Hell.
One of them is interesting, it says that if our consciousness survives after our death, our mind will finally think clearly, we’ll remember our past better than if it happened today, and we’ll be overwhelmed by shame, this hell would be created by ourselves.
Another one would talk about a real place, but not in the afterlife but right here, on Earth(, it combines perfectly with this talk of afterlife if you believe in reincarnation), and says that if we all live our lives ‘searching for’/‘aiming at’ God, then our descendants/reincarnations will live in Paradise(, or in Hell if we don’t).
There’re other interpretations, as well as the thought that we’re not free since we’re determined, so God decided before our birth whether we would end up in Hell or in Paradise, a thought discussed in the Middle-Ages and rejected in favor of free-will(, i don’t think Spinoza would disagree with the conclusion that God predestined us for Hell, if he believed in Hell).
Obviously, the most common explanation is that police(wo)men didn’t existed back then, God-fearing people was the equivalent of virtuous people, even when nobody can see/stop them.

They merely said that being separated from God means suffering, while following H…er.im means walking towards the establishment of H…er.is Kingdom/City unto Earth. They talked more about Hell as a state than as a physical place, but, well… who cares nowadays, right ? Parabola never taught us anything about the real world, the spirit doesn’t exist, and morals are relative, they were simply naive ignorants who never had anything to teach us, embrace modernity and reject 100% of the past.