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Turnip loves when other people come up with plans, because he can’t can just ignore it and do what he wants anyway

That’s like the one silver lining I’m seeing out of this whole situation, is that Trump can’t stick to a plan if his literal life and freedom depend on it. We saw that in action in the E. Jean Carroll defamation suit. It doesn’t matter how well the plans are laid by his mice and men, he’s not going to read them. And if we’re lucky that by itself will be enough to prevent a total enactment of P2025.

Technically speaking, nachos and salad are two different food groups. But by this same definition a steak is a salad and a salad is actually nachos, provided it has croutons.

You’ve been very reasonable about this in the face of my ranting and I appreciate it. I specifically don’t want to become “blue MAGA” and level heads like yours are what’s going to prevent a lot of us from going there. I’m still mad, and I still think this all needs attention and isn’t getting it, though. I don’t know what to do about that other than crow about it on the internet or show up to the white house. I don’t think either of those are good ideas.

That’s fair, and I’m sorry to have been an asshole about it. I deserve that. However, conspiracy thinking or no, I think it’s extremely valid to be suspicious of these results. There are quite a lot of factors at play here that can cast what I consider to be reasonable doubt over this whole situation.

Sure, don’t jump right to conspiracy theories off the bat, fair enough. But also don’t be blind to what is in front of us. Things don’t add up here in a way that makes sense to me. In particular, I question the fact that nearly 1 in 2 Latino voters voted to deport themselves and their families, and I find it difficult to believe that 15+ million other voters who showed up to vote for Joe Biden, didn’t show up to vote for Harris. It was all the same threat, magnified, with a much more palatable upside than the first time and a much more clear view of the alternative. These people should have been, and by all accounts were, even more motivated than in 2020. This is the most politicized election we’ve had in over a century, nobody didn’t hear about this.

The whole thing just stinks. It stinks all to hell and I think I’m justified in believing the conservatives pulled off a successful steal this time just like they’ve been promising to, not least of which is because by the time I woke up after election night everyone had already decided none of the Dems showed up and Trump had won, when according to gov websites the final vote tally and certification isn’t even until mid December. I’ve never seen election results get called so early that I can remember. I saw three different news stories about conservatives setting ballot boxes on fire. Our gerrymandering maps are so bad they can be confused for TV static from a distance. Millions of people had their voting registration purged by state level conservatives weeks or days before the election.

I think a little bit of suspicion surrounding the results is beyond justified.

Ah yes, it’s exactly the same with no differences, surely Trump isn’t known to be a cheat and a liar from every single other interaction he’s ever had with a human being. Surely he hasn’t stated publicly his intentions to cheat the election. No, he’s a perfect human being and we’re all just shouting about voter fraud because we’re stupid.

If it’s almost certainly coming anyway then you may as well throw them a bone first

And if it isn’t coming anyway, then you’ve done a little bit to screw up the plans of impending worldwide fascist domination

I’d call that a win-win

I’m nearly pissed off enough to try and run for local office myself now and I hope others also feel that drive.

Only reason I haven’t done it is because I’m a nobody retail worker with no money. I can’t afford to upend my life to go campaign. And I feel that a lot of other people are in a similar boat. But I also feel that the last hundred years of American politicians have been so far up their own asses that having a regular everyman in office like myself can’t possibly be worse.

We should be able to take out a business loan or something to run for office. But also we shouldn’t have to do that.

Don’t start none won’t be none

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…

The only reason they haven’t done even better than that is 80% of their time in office is busy fixing the last Republican fuckup before the public gets a chance to go and elect more Republicans again

Trump has openly stated that he plans to abolish voting

Why would you expect people to care for a democracy that means nothing to them?

Because the other alternative is to take everything you hate about the way it all works and make it objectively worse, balanced even worse out of your own favor.

Look, I do understand that American democracy is fundamentally broken, and I empathize with that. I too wish for a viable third party candidate to break us out of this hellscape. But this wasn’t the time. So instead I voted for the party that’s been pushing RCV initiatives in some areas rather than handing a win to the party that promised they would abolish elections. On one hand we have a possible path forward and on the other hand we have guaranteed destruction, I don’t like it any more than the next person but I consider a vote against guaranteed destruction to have been one that wasn’t wasted. I hate that that is what American politics have come to at this point in time but I can observe the world around me and act accordingly.

You’re the only other person I’ve seen mention this at all. I said it earlier, you, me, everyone, everyone’s cousin, and also the FBI were very well aware that Trump & Co were definitely attempting to cheat the election, they’ve proven their intent to do so, and proper certification and electoral votes aren’t even until mid December. I don’t understand how this is possibly being uncontested right now. There are way less votes than everyone expected, it comes out in Trump’s favor with exactly the thin margin he needed to win, and everyone is just running with “Yep he’s won we know this 3 hours after election night there is no need to follow up further”

I, for one, don’t believe a bit of this for at least the next month and expect some major findings in the next few weeks. I also might just be on the copium, who knows.

Hey don’t I remember reading 189,237,490 conversations about this exact thing for the last 8 months? Where everyone was begging third party voters to bite the bullet, please, for the sake of the future of democracy in America and even a slight attempt at survival for Gaza and y’all all told us to go fuck ourselves because we all love genocide? Yeah remember those conversations?

Anything to add now? Are you happy? We told you this would happen. We begged you to please reconsider your stance for the good of everyone. But no, we’re just a bunch of dumb assholes who aren’t educated enough about the war in the middle east.

Learn to see the world around you, please.

Well they sure fucked that one

How is it that you, me, everybody, everybody’s cousin, and also the FBI were all fully aware that Trump & Co were guaranteed going to try and cheat the election, and yet the first moment all the republican electors come out and say “Yep Trump wins!! We promise!!” everyone is just accepting this as fact?

I have severe doubts about the validity of these numbers for at least the next several weeks. Republicans have proven repeatedly that they are not going to play fair in any fashion. I don’t believe a damn thing they tell me without receipts for it and we’ve got until January to produce the receipts.

but you’ll be waiting a long time if you’re sitting around hoping people become less dumb, selfish and would cut off their nose to spite their face

This wouldn’t even be a problem if Republican leadership hadn’t been laser-focused on destroying the American public education system for decades. Americans as a group are stupid, and it’s on purpose, engineered by Republicans.

[…] cost the Wall-Street class anything significant…

And herein is your problem. The Wall-Street class is the most influential voting bloc in America. If you don’t bow to them, you don’t even make it onto the ballot, let alone into the oval office. The only way it is possible to get around this, in modern America, would be if you acted like you were going to play ball with Wall Street up until you’re sworn into office, and then pull the most epic bait and switch of all time on them.

To be clear, I don’t expect this from Harris. But if she were going to do it, exactly what she’s doing now would be the way you accomplish that. Let the megadonors believe that you’re on their side until you reach a point where they can’t stop you.

He’s preaching to an audience that genuinely believes that gay people are gay because they have demons inside them. Logic and reason have left this conversation many, many moons ago.

Hmm, actually, that’s a pretty solid point. I missed that detail. Thanks for pointing that out.