democracy /dĭ-mŏk′rə-sē/ noun

Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives. 

A political or social unit that has such a government.

The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

Majority rule.

The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained and directly exercised by the people.

Government by popular representation; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people

Collectively, the people, regarded as the source of government.

The principles and policy of the Democratic party, so called.

republic /rĭ-pŭb′lĭk/ noun

A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.

A nation that has such a political order.

A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

A specific republican government of a nation. “the Fourth Republic of France.”

An autonomous or partially autonomous political and territorial unit belonging to a sovereign federation. (Read:federation of states)

A group of people working as equals in the same sphere or field. “the republic of letters.”

I’m right, right here.

Guess it depends on what the definition of “is” is. Hate it all you want, I’m right.

You won’t find much of an argument with me on any of these points. We see our freedoms get trampled on in the name of… whatever, and too many people just say “thank you sir, may I have another”.

Finally a well thought out and reasonable response. I appreciate that, along with the lack of name-calling.

The issue at hand is, mere negligence, even if it was ruled as such, rarely elicits a conviction, and oftentimes won’t even resort in charges. Stack that with the resentment that roughly 50% of the voting public (not ongoing to argue numbers, just using it as a rough guide) would see it as an attack on the person whom they believed in and voted for (or saw as a foil to someone they liked less, in this case Biden).

There’s also the issue that criminal negligence is notoriously hard to convict on, and in the highly unlikely scenario it were charged, convicted and sentenced, it wouldn’t take a dream team of lawyers to overturn based on unequal application of the law, which, in this case, wouldn’t take more than watching the nightly news.

None of this is stating that it’s my belief that he was criminally negligent by using the terms “fight like hell” and such, I do not. It’s common enough vernacular in the English language that to try and indict, let alone convict on it is pretty paper-thin.

Look, I understand that roughly half of the country dislikes him, if not outright hates him. However, that isn’t enough to throw out precedent in an attempt to remove him from the ballot. The fact that it is being tried in several states is, in its pure form, fascism.

Interesting that you bring up the possibility of false flag actors, I wasn’t going to go there, but I do appreciate the honesty in that it is quite possible there were some there.

What, pray tell, gives you that idea? Considering i seem to know more about it than most of the people in this thread that want to pull some sort of “gotcha” on me, id argue the opposite. What do you find me to be in disagreement with the constitution on? Only arguments I’ve made here have been that there’s no proof that Trump ordered an assault on the capitol. If your argument is that they were whipped up by his rhetoric (and I’d like to see it in context, including the “peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard” part included), then way more people need to be imprisoned longer for their “involvement” in the BLM/antifa riots of 2020. Maxine Waters literally stated that if you see a “Trumper” in a public place to get in their face and tell them they’re not welcome. Seems to be pretty inciting speech, yet she’s free to roam about and squander our tax dollars (like both sides do, I’m not disputing that). You don’t really believe any of this shit, you just hate Trump and see it as an excuse to remove him from politics and to serve as a warning to anyone who dares to stand in the way of your progressive agenda.

Saying I was “there in spirit, so come get me” was pretty obviously a joke. If you don’t like it, that’s on you.

That’ll show me!

Point to a clip where he told people to bum rush the capitol, riot, and shit on Pelosi’s desk. I’ll wait.

Minority view or not, it’s correct. Just because it’s a majority doesn’t make it correct.

At work, about 1,100 miles away. But I was there in spirit, so come get me!!!

Your statement was about the cognitive test he was bragging about, that’s what I was responding to. I fully admit that Trump will brag about anything, not sure where you were going with that statement. If you’d like to take it in another direction, feel free.

Like they say, “don’t feed the bears”

That and I was feeling particularly feisty last night.

Oh boy. Lay off the Maddow. You were there? In the room? Neat! Bust out the tapes and prove that’s what happened!!!

It’s not a talking point. Seems quite a few Americans don’t know what our actual form of government is called. Accuracy counts.

And you’re a fuckwit! Name calling is fun!

Never thought being pro-freedom meant fascist to intellectuals such as yourself. A system that could swing from election to election based on one vote seems pretty fucking horrible tbh, especially in the US with our deep partisan divdes. Imagine the sheer horror the libs would go through whe the country went 50.0000000001 to 49.9999999999 conservative and abortion became illegal for 4 years! Bet you’d hate democracy then!

For the record, I’m solidly pro choice, pro 2A, athiest and couldn’t care less who you want to spend your naked time with. Find another lazy insult, fascist already wore itself out, and it doesn’t describe the people you think it does - bet you agree with keeping Trump off the ballot. “Democratic”, indeed.

The fact that you called me a fascist proves you don’t know what the word means

Also funny

Because it’s funny. His own AG stated he wouldn’t be fit to stand trial in a case regarding the classified documents he was illegally in possession of. I will fully admit I’m more Trump than not, but put up a funny Trump meme and I’ll laugh along with you. Last actual funny anti-Trump meme I can recall was one of those “Ladies, find yourself a man who looks at you the way Trump looks at Ivanka”. That actually generated a giggle. The shit I see nowadays is lazy “Orange man in jumpsuit!!! He go jail!”. That shit’s not funny, it’s dumb. I’ve seen some pretty dumbass Biden ones too.

Democracy, by definition, is 50% +1 vote, otherwise known as “mob rule”. That would be an even shittier system to live under.

I’ve read the “relevant portions”, however, in them I still fail to see how Trump himself is implicated. It would be the same if I were to imply that the BLM riots in Minneapolis during 2020 were instigated by Maxine Waters. I’m not, as each individual chooses to riot, and implying that Waters, even with her rhetoric, is not the one at fault for the riot in Minneapolis, just as Trump is not responsible for the riot in DC. You’ll forgive me if I don’t trust a ruling handed down by a court that’s sympathetic to Trump’s opposition.

I’m more than happy to engage in a civil discussion about this, and any other issues, but from all sides, there’s no “there” there when it comes to Trump as a traitor or insurrectionist. Simply a man who was upset about losing an election and the refusal of states to investigate into abnormalities, real OR imagined by the Trump campaign. If he truly was a dictator, he would have refused to leave on 1/20. He didn’t. The peaceful transfer of power occurred like it has throughout our history. The lack of charges of treason and/or insurrection by now, especially with the different factions within both the democrat AND republican parties makes that quite clear - there’s no evidence of such.

Sure a bunch of fuckwits did some dumb shit, and quite a few did some really bad shit. For all of them, I fully support throwing the book at them. However, there is zero proof that Trump is culpable in it.

If you really want to block me but can’t, I’ll go ahead and stop engaging you. I fully respect your wishes and I’m truly sorry if whatever I said somehow caused you grief. I wish the best for you and hope that someday you’ll look back on this conversation objectively, and not through a lens polarized by political beliefs.