I generally agree “both sides” is a shitty argument, but thinking democrats are going to save us is naive. Time and again they have shown us who bought their vote, while ignoring those who voted for them. They will happily take your money and smile while mitigating any real impact you could have on the status quo.

The reality is both parties are beholden to their wealthy donors over the needs of the average American.

The right exists to ratchet us to the right toward fascism, and the corporate Democrats are there to make sure things don’t shift too far left when Republicans lose power. Notice how democrats stopped taking about universal Healthcare and spent 0 air time talking about the needs of the average American in the 2024 election? Much easier to push the most regressive antiimmigration legislation they’ve ever pushed, basically giving Republicans the groundwork for the shit we see today. I say democrats but it’s not Progressives that run the party, money backs the corporate Dems.

Money has poisoned our political system and until we do away with money in elections we will have a broken system that serves only those with lots of money.

The Democratic party broke the Democratic party by letting the mask slip and showing that when push comes to shove, the Corporate Democrats find fascism to be just fine with their wealthy benefactors interests.

After years of the party using “this might be the end of democracy” for campaign purposes, their actions show they either don’t care or are actively on board with ending it. In a conflict where monied interests are trying to destroy our nation and rebuild it to solely their interests, is it surprising that those who have fattened themselves with that money are rendered ineffective?

You might even call them the controlled opposition, a failsafe to ensure things don’t shift too far left. I remember how the DNC put their finger on the scales and gave us Biden, and then instead of giving us a choice played games and threw Kamala at us rather than open a primary. But hey the DNC machine made money from donations from people desperate to keep fascism at bay… and the reality of the threat only made them more money.

From my perspective based on their actions in this defining moment, corporate Democrats are not our friends and will choose to enrich themselves instead of fight for us at every self-interested opportunity.

We desperately need to get money out of politics.

Every time I see Republicans taking a new low on attacking trans people, all that tells me is that’s how Republicans deserve to be treated in the future.

When I see Republicans calling for the erasure of trans people, what do you think that tell me Republicans deserve to be treated like?

Not trying to be an asshole but if you expect anything will materially change you shouldn’t be surprised when the DNC rug pulls you again.

I really want to include the new DNC chair in that list.

I strongly disagree.

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires” - New DNC Head Martin

The DNC is run by corporate democrats which, aside from the hate, racism and bigotry, might well be the on the same team as Republicans when it comes to facilitating the actions of the wealthy in this country. Its why nothing materially changes when Dems run the show. Their wealthy donors are happy with the job they are doing currently, which doesn’t include improving the quality of life for the vast majority of us because it is easier to exploit a populous that is teetering on the edge of ruin. How many of you cant change jobs because you’d lose your insurance? How few Americans have 500 dollars in the bank for a catastrophic emergency? The fact that we have to live in such a precarious position is a feature to the wealthy that allows them to exploit us for their significant personal gains. They don’t see us as people, they see us as a resource to exploit and toss when they are done.

Did Biden push for Universal healthcare, or even talk about it really? What about pressing for codifying of Roe v. Wade? Or wage theft being, from a dollar perspective, the vast majority of theft that occurs in this country? Marijuana reform? Better to leave that as a carrot to try to get votes as they’ve shown in the last 3 elections… What about taxing the rich as a rebuttal to the constant assault on social services that help the most vulnerable in our society yet account for the smallest fraction of the actual budget? Or upholding the law and holding Trump and his cronies for the January 6th attack on our nation, which should have prevented Trump from running in the first place? The wealthy in this country are seeing their wealth explode from a government that today has enabled them to wholesale embrace corruption by attacking regulatory and oversight bodies… wonder why they didnt want Trump to be held accountable…

Biden did things in his term to help Americans to an extent, but these Donkeys in the room are glaring examples of areas that Biden had flat out ignored or intentionally neglected us. The reason to me is that the money didn’t support those initiatives… i.e. not in the donors interests.

Remember that the DNC put Biden there, and if we let them they will happily keep playing the role of controlled opposition as a fulcrum to leverage our nation to the right while giving lip service to the things we care about and enriching themselves with our donations.

I remember when Elon Musk was a “good billionaire” friend. In my opinion there are no good billionaires because the pursuit of money to that extent requires exploitation and abuse on a grand scale.

So yeah I don’t give a fuck if he has all the money in the world, I don’t think money should be the deciding factor in elections. I don’t think that any string a billionaire offers is worth it.

If we run a candidate who’s values authentically align with what Dem voters want, why turn down donations?

Because they can tell you all day that they align with your values and then suddenly they don’t. Remember Elon Musk? Tech billionaire, “real life tony stark”, whose electric vehicles were going to usher in a new era of renewable transportation… People lie.

He didn’t say that they could be relied on. He said he’d take their fucking money. Why do you think that’s an unpragmatic strategy?

Because I understand how the world works? That concessions are made in back room deals and that the money doesn’t change hands until the buyer feels confident they are getting what they want? We know how this goes.

I would forego all billionaire donations to ensure the party wasn’t being controlled by back room interests, you know the deals made to get the contribution? They aren’t adhering to campaign finance limits they are drowning out normal Americans with their outside influence.

“Billionaire campaign spending on this scale drowns out the voices and concerns of ordinary Americans. It is one of the most obvious and disturbing consequences of the growth of billionaire fortunes, as well as being a prime indicator that the system regulating campaign finance has collapsed,” said David Kass, ATF’s executive director.

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaire-clans-spend-nearly-2-billion-2024-elections/

“We’ll continue to take money from the Good Billionaires” - New DNC head

Both parties are owned by the wealthy, which is why you don’t see Corporate democrats fighting against this shit. Their job is to make sure that if things don’t go red, at least they won’t go too blue. A good chunk (and the controlling collective) of the democratic party are more than happy to play the controlled opposition as they rake in your money to ensure you can’t use it to meaningfully make change.

Democrats are the controlled opposition. It’s why they would never give Sanders a fair shake. He would upset them “good billionaires” because going further right is preferable than a single step left for the wealthy.

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.” - New DNC head

It’s a good thing we can all agree on what the definition of good and bad is, and how its applied in our society right?

It’s funny how many people want to downvote this fact, but no matter how you slice it the difference between the pre-election messaging and post is deafening.

Agreed. Remember that corporate Democrats, on the heels of their loss, were grappling with the idea they should have tried to sell out trans people to try to get more republican votes? I remember.

They made a great deal of money though acting like they believed Trump winning was going to be the end of Democracy. I agree he will be, but their actions after the election show me they don’t believe it, or they don’t care because they see their own opportunity there. The fact that they aren’t even trying to gum the works for his cabinet shows how on board they are.

If you were in a position of power watching these events unfold would you be cool helping rubber stamp to enable them? I sure a fuck couldn’t. But our supposed “last bastion of democracy” collectively doesn’t seem to have an issue. Don’t want to rock the boat on the road to our new christofascist state huh?

If bakers can choose their customers based on sexual orientation doctors should be able to choose their patients based on political affiliation. At least one of these is a choice.

I still remember how she, with no chance of winning herself, fucked over Bernie to give the primary nomination to Biden. I’m good. She’s totally on board with corporate democrat fuckery whether or not she claims to be one. Progressives aren’t welcome in the modern right wing-lite party.

We need to get money out of politics before the wealthy kill us all.

Yeah man, referencing the dictionary and how a word is used vs the nonsense framing you’ve chosen. Some crazy shit.

May 2023 - “Target removes some Pride Month products after threats against employees” https://www.npr.org/2023/05/24/1177963864/target-pride-month-lgbtq-products-threats

Terrorism is an appropriate word here. Threats of violence to achieve political goals. They threatened employees with violence because the store chose to offer those items. I’m not really sure how much more clear cut it can get. Terrorism isn’t just killing people.

terrorism /tĕr′ə-rĭz″əm/ noun

• The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
• The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation.
• The practice of coercing governments to accede to political demands by committing violence on civilian targets; any similar use of violence to achieve goals.
• The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda.
• Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives.
• A psychological strategy of war for gaining political or religious ends by deliberately creating a climate of fear among the population of a state.
• The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

Says more about the people of Texas than anything else.

Its not the 40% being beaten by their husbands is it?

https://sites.temple.edu/klugman/2020/07/20/do-40-of-police-families-experience-domestic-violence/

Ah the proud conservative. Tell me friend, how does it feel to be a champion of legalized pedophilia, aka child marraige? Does knowing you are directly responsible for children being raped, legally, because “its a religious tradition” get the engine going? How about the fact that it’s predominantly 60+ year old men “marrying” (to have sex with) young girls and in some cases with no lower age limit? Them proud republican traditions… from the people who have “think of the children” on speed dial. But they never wanted you to think of these children.

I’d be willing to bet you didn’t have a clue. Why? Cause your dumb ass is too busy “owning the libs” to bother looking at your party or institutions actions at any level of the government that you arent spoon fed by fox or other republican propaganda mills. Laughable, that’s how I see every conservative flinging of the term paedophile. It’s funny because your institutions are rife with it, yet you are unphased by the hypocrisy. The catholic church and its priests raping boys is a trope at this point. The Mormon church protects its rapists by changing legislation so they can functionally ignore their confessions instead of reporting to the police. Every other republican politician has a history of sexual deviance, many including children… with the base gasping “imperfect vessel” to hand wave away their disgraceful behavior while accusing their political enemies of the same without a shred of evidence. Straight up moral bankruptcy. Knuckledragging bigots don’t need no evidence to parrot their party’s political message.

Just like they didn’t need evidence to support an insurrection and try to overthrow our duly elected government. Lie to a republican enough, and they will believe anything. Questions like “out of 60 court cases why didn’t Trump present any tangible evidence the election was stolen” are just unimportant details when the party asked you to “fight like hell” to maintain their power. Gullible, traitorous lemmings, the lot of them. Watching the Republican party coalesce around these traitors and try to white wash their acts as “desperate patriotism” is just pathetic and disgraceful. Every person that attacked the capitol on January 6th deserve to hang; being a gullible moron doesn’t excuse one from the consequences of their actions. You support wannabe dictators at your own peril.

Overall, I can only guess how much spit you unknowingly consume in a year. Not nearly as much as you deserve, I imagine. You could try to be a better person, but then that would get in the way of “owning” the libs. The reality is you are so “owned” by your party day in and out, so much so you don’t even know they own you.

“I saw the cross and it struck a nerve. When I think of those men in those dresses molesting children… I saw red, white, and blue… and I knew I needed to stand up for those children’s freedom from this den of paedophiles”

This is the news story I’m waiting for. If only the people larping as protectors of children knew the call was coming from inside their own house of worship.

I like to stream from my pc to the deck when I’m feeling like escaping the desk.

Sure champ. The dnc wasn’t leaning on the scales hillary was just such a good candidate that she lost to Trump. It’s imperative you maintain that ideal otherwise you might come to the realization that you’re part of the problem.

Trump would have likely handed Bernie his ass without breaking a sweat

He had a much better chance than “it’s her turn” Hillary and her baggage. The problem is he actually has a history of helping people and speaks truth to power, contrary to the interests of the DNC and Corporate democrats like ole Hill. He doesn’t bring in that sweet lobbying money from the ultra wealthy, just small donations actually indactive of voter support. It’s why Debbie Wasserman-Shultz was giving Bernie debate questions ahead of time, to help him out… oh right that was Hillary that needed the help… because the dnc chose the candidate they wanted and needed to solidify it by any means.

Either way the reality is the DNC has shown it is incapable of being impartial, and that the whole thing is kabuki nonsense to make you think you have a choice in “choosing” the peice of shit they want you to pick. The DNC is controlled opposition for the wealthy to be able to maintain control on both sides. Not like any sane person is going to vote republican… so they limit options to only the shit sandwich while expecting you to thank them for forcing you to eat it then they bitch when nobody is excited about the shit sandwich.

Then here you are “well of course MY shit sandwich was the only choice and if THEY couldn’t have won, clearly no other sandwich could have come close so stop asking to try another fucking sandwich.” The dishonesty here is just fucking pathetic, but to admit otherwise would be to invite criticism for handing Trump his '16 victory, more so than is already done.