• Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    We’ll forgive them, eventually, once they return to sanity. But we’ll never trust them again. It took more than fifty years for Germany to be fully accepted as a normal country again. It’ll take at least as long for the US.

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      4 hours ago

      Idk one Trump term could be considered an anomaly, a stress test to our systems to see if we could fix them to be stronger. We didn’t. Now we’re on round 2 and speed running alienating our allies.

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        5 hours ago

        Climate change will affect other countries a lot more then it will affect europe and us. So no it won’t stop anything.

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          When the Atlantic current collapses, it’s going to royally fuck Europe’s climate, and probably the U.S. Nobody is getting off this train, and we are slowly inching ourselves off a cliff toward extreme westher events all the time instead of just sometimes. Should be fun.

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            It won’t be great but it countries that are rich now will be fine-ish. Anyway there is no off-the-cliff, nations and states won’t disappear, so whatever grudges we collect will go with us into the future.

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              The EU and US regularly lose their minds over a few thousand refugees. What do you think will happen when millions of climate refugees start moving?

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                57 minutes ago

                They will get killed, somehow you forgot that both world wars were waged in europe with tens of millions dead. Benevolent overlords of today will quickly return to genocidal masters of yesterday.

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                  The amount of civil unrest that’d cause would cause the situation to be far from fine. The US and EU like to pretend like there’s some magic money-fuelled forcefield that protects them, but millions of desperate people fighting for their lives can cause a lot of damage if pushed into a corner like that.

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          Your fail to realize what will happen when 70 percent of the planet becomes uninhabitable. You think people will just lay down and die? You think they will allow their children to starve. Humans are stupid beasts fighting over resources since the dawn of time, enjoy the next episode it’s gonna be interesting.

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            3 hours ago

            You fail to realize that rich countries with a lot of resources now will become even more rich and they aren’t going anywhere. Yes they will lay down and die, causing minimal discomfort to people in rich countries.

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            Why do you think the assholes that profited off destroying the world are now pushing anti-migrant rhetoric? So the plebs demand weaponized borders and protect them from the people whose homes will be unlivable soon instead of turning against them.

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            You think people will just lay down and die?

            Well yea, they tend to do that once they’ve caught some sharpnel

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            I’m not wishing for or happy about conflict just morbidly aware of how this will play out between well equiped countries, and countries that will be collapsing.