• Telorand@reddthat.com
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    11 months ago

    ACAB.

    I don’t care if “not all cops, tho.” They know about this shit, and they don’t do anything about it. They’re supposed to (in theory) prevent illegality, and yet this stuff gets a pass.

    It’s no wonder Fundigelicals are bosom buddies, because they do the same thing with religion.

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      They always say “it’s just a few bad apples” and conveniently forget the point of the analogy is that the bad apples spoil the whole bunch. So until the little piggies remove ALL of the bad apples, ACAB is 100% correct.

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      Yeah I don’t think it’s that easy. Saying “all in this group are evil” is the same argument used to gas Jews in WWII, it’s a really dumb and short sighted argument.

      Yes, there is a LOT of shit going on and a lot of police officers are bad, but that doesn’t mean they all are and just because they’re not doing enough against this, doesn’t mean they don’t care or don’t try or even can try…

      With situations like these “it’s not that simple” is a much better statement than acab, which as much fun as it may be to say, is just dumb and short sighted

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        Saying “all in this group are evil” is the same argument used to gas Jews in WWII

        Comparing German Jews in WWII to present day American law enforcement is an insult and you should be ashamed of yourself.

        just because they’re not doing enough against this, doesn’t mean they don’t care or don’t try or even can try…

        They’re not just “not doing enough”, they’re actively rooting out good cops from the force and punishing them for being good! While the bad cops continue being bad, all under the protection of their union! The system is corrupt from the top down, and its members fight to keep it that way!

        With situations like these “it’s not that simple” is a much better statement than acab, which as much fun as it may be to say, is just dumb and short sighted

        What’s dumb and short-sighted is downplaying the danger the American policing system poses with the same bullshit “they’re not all bad” argument we’ve all heard for years. Answer me this: if they’re not all bad, why do they keep getting worse?

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          they’re actively rooting out good cops from the force and punishing them for being good

          Which is actually one reason I have the ACAB acronym. There are good cops, and they get shit from both ends either for not toeing the blue-line or just for being cops.

          If somebody actually does get shot, the ACAB crew is out in full force while often ignoring the lengthy record of crime and violence of the involved - or even camera evidence - while stating it was obviously just a cop looking for somebody to shoot.

          Fuckers are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where nobody in their right mind would want to be a cop

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            Works for me. They enjoy far too much indemnity. It’s long past time they had to answer to the law they supposedly uphold.

            But you missed the point. There are good cops. The problem is, they see the bad cops and choose their job over blowing the whistle. And given their line of work, that makes them spineless and complicit.

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              But how do you know they choose to not blow the whistle? Seems quite a number of things are coming to light where things WERE escalated to superiors or even government. These end up under gag-order while “under investigation” - often for years - which means that they reporting officer could be fined/jailed themselves for leaking it, and includes stuff like sexual assaults within the police force itself.

              It’s a no-win situation for good cops, and calling them spineless and complicit without knowing the details of such just makes you an asshole.

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                seems quite a number of things are coming to light where things WERE escalated to superiors or even government. These end up under gag-order while “under investigation” - often for years - which means that they reporting officer could be fined/jailed themselves for leaking it, and includes stuff like sexual assaults within the police force itself.

                This is the all in ACAB, right here. This is the point we’re trying to make, and you’re making it for us. The point is that the system of policing ensures that bad cops are protected and elevated and good cops are either silenced (thus becoming bad cops) or forced out. The fact that “it’s a no-win situation for good cops” is exactly what ACAB is saying.

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                  Except that ALL means everyone, which would include the ones doing good by citizens, fighting against corrupt shit, and not quitting.

                  It’s not “all cops”, it’s the fucking system that corrupt.

                  It’s like making a discriminatory (racist/sexist/whatever) comment and then turning to a person who falls under that group and saying “but, uh, we don’t count you in that”, and plenty of people DO immediately turn shit on anyone just for being a cop.

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        It was that easy for an ex cop to agree that acab in a different comment. They agreed to the point that they said they themselves weren’t even a good cop.

        When the cops themselves are agreeing with acab… I mean, believe them.

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        Not trying to make a point or anything, but it only took one comment for you to bring up a Hitler reference. Isn’t that like loosing the game or something? Means you only have a weak point?

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    I think there are two things that need to happen to get this bullshit under control…first of all defang the police union…you can’t function as a union busting group and get the protection of a union that’s hypocritical bullshit. No more gypsy cops moving from force to force without their sins following them.

    Second, a citizen review board that is made up of anonymous citizens called to serve like jury duty. The review board gets to make disciplinary decisions on police misconduct and it’s 100% binding. No more some are more equal than others, or their dumbass “civilian” mind set… they’re civilians too.

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    read this, ask yourself “why would police be against body cameras?” and realize that it’s because they think their job entails constantly and knowingly breaking the law.

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    So? The Constitution ONLY matters if I’m using it to defend a School Shooter!

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    i love the government so much :)))

    Hoping at least ONE undue search warrant that results from this garners a big fat lawsuit