• Makan@lemmygrad.ml
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    13 days ago

    I doubt it. Israel will come out stronger, or they believe it will, if Israel wins, and gains more control of more territory. And they will, if they have free reign over the resources of Gaza and the new Syrian territory added to their country, which has a bevy of oil and minerals. Hamas is opposed to U.S. imperialist aims and is not like the ETIM or YPG or other U.S. Muslim proxies, which were essentially created by the USA, or have had extensive development by the USA.

    Hamas can not be persuaded, therefore they have to destroy Hamas or significantly weaken it or strengthen Israel. A stronger Israel and a taking out of Syria, which has been achieved, means that they don’t have to worry too much about the Middle-East going forward when they attack China, or if they do, in the near future.

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      12 days ago

      Hamas can not be persuaded, therefore they have to destroy Hamas or significantly weaken it or strengthen Israel.

      If they could have they wouldn’t have signed this ceasefire. Wasn’t that the entire objective of the war aside from the genocide. The israelis aren’t omnipotent gods. They just lost a war to their own concentration camp as you just said that it has more to do with the ceasefire than Trump. I also believe this.

      Syrian territory added to their country, which has a bevy of oil and minerals. Hamas is opposed to U.S. imperialist aims and is not like the ETIM or YPG or other U.S. Muslim proxies, which were essentially created by the USA, or have had extensive development by the USA.

      They were handed that territory on a platter and they haven’t had to fight to maintain it. There are other groups that aren’t comparadors, that can decide to start targeting Israeli troops in Syria and their troops are cowards, we have all seen it. The US and its northern alliance compradors also had lightning quick success at the start of the afghan war. Another example is 1980s Lebanon where the example is the idf itself.

      I was watching an interview with a Hamas representative in Pakistan and he was mentioning why the comprador media in the gulf states and in Pakistan try to portray Israel as omnipotent. It’s so the elites of those nations can justify normalization and doing business with them. This was also their rationale for distributing resistance videos to show the world that everyone is mortal, even israelis.

      There is no point in doom and gloom, the zionist state has to be destroyed and it will be.

      Edit TLDR: the good people of the region and the world just have to cement in their mind that the entity must be destroyed. Yes, there will be setbacks and losses. The alternative however is what happened to the indigenous in our western hemisphere. That process took 4 centuries and is ongoing.

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        8 days ago

        Okay, none of this contradicts what I’ve said.

        Hamas doesn’t need to be courted because it can’t.

        In addition, they managed to force Israel to a ceasefire.

        Clearly, they have nothing really to lose at this point.

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          Contradicting you wasn’t my goal, comrade. Please don’t take it that way.

          They got some successes but it wasn’t by their own doing was my point. Their army is still a joke, it can’t win on the ground unless people let it, which is what happened in Syria. They need to be given something to lose, i.e. a lot of troops in Syria.

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            8 days ago

            It was by the doing of Lebanon and themselves.

            And Hamas is not a joke.

            Stop giving bourgeois politicians credit.

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              8 days ago

              Where did i say that. I said Hamas defeated Israel, Trump saved them.

              You just like arguing, I see.

              Edit: all I did was caveat that the imperialists standing in the world was fast dropping also because Israel was BOTH 1) getting its ass handed to it by Hamas 2) making itself and its backers look like genocidal maniacs and that would impact its pivot against bigger rivals. Both were caused by Hamas winning. Idgaf about Trump or any western politician and am not crediting them with shit so we are very clear.

              I also wanted to point out that even israels gains might be precarious in the long run, whether whatever limited gains they got in lebanon or the massive land chunks in syria. I can’t tell the future so I could be wrong.

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                8 days ago

                There’s no proof that Trump necessarily “saved” them and, either way, it would’ve happened regardless of the administration (the ongoing ceasefire deal, at the very least). I really do not get why Trump is somehow singled out here. His imperialist foreign policy is about the same as a Democrat’s. He’s not even “pro-Russia” or “anti-Ukraine war” like some of his fanbase seems to think; he’s already threatening more harsh sanctions and economic warfare against the Russian Federation.

                Alright, well, to be fair, I think we’re sort-of arguing the same thing, give or take a few differences here and there, so I’ll just drop it.

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                  All good man.

                  And yes, you are absolutely correct on his russia policy as well. Anti-russian policies were in place during trumps first term also. He isnt some antiwar dove. They are all war mongering trash.

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                    8 days ago

                    Right. Sorry I was so harsh at first. I just don’t see him as a “dove” like his fans seem to think he is. Hell, I’ll be honest, his belligerence against Canada, Mexico, Greenland (Denmark), and Panama is taking things even further (and more then likely, the Dems will emulate him).

                    Edit: Of course, Dems will one-up that in their own way, given their next turn, whenever that happens…