• Fedditor385@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Well, I partly agree. Collective freedom does come before personal freedom. But, not everyone hates just because of the “being”. For ex. a lot of refugees in Germany are hated not because they are from middle east, not because they are islamic, but for the sole reason that they are abusing the welfare system. They get free social apartments with monthly allowance that is higher than some peoples pensions, from which they still need to pay their apartment. It’s not hate because of what they are, but because of what they do. And that is ok, because we hate pedophiles not because of the person, but because what they do or did in the past. Also, there is no freedom from feeling offended and unwelcome. It is a feedback. A boy can feel unwelcome in a girls locker room, no problem there really. Feeling unwelcome probably has some reason behind it. You either should not be there, or you should be or not be doing something.

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      1 day ago

      Although you have the start of a point here all you’ve done is stereotype a class of people. Hate people that abuse welfare, whether immigrant or not.

      I hate welfare abusers -> some immigrants are welfare abusers -> I hate immigrants as a class of person

      That’s not rational

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        3 hours ago

        Of course it’s not rational, why would you expect it to be at this point? When an issue starts, at that point, before it escalates, thats when people still have rational thoughts and think through things. But now, where the economy is falling apart, people are losing jobs and homes, or barely making it through, why would you expect anyone to be rational and not emotional? How do you expect such people, who contributed their whole life to the states welfare system when it was working, to now at this point be left in the dark while some random people, who just got here, never put a penny into that system, get everything on a silver pladder? Of course people will get emotional, and in this case, the emotion is hate, remorse, fear, disappointment.

        I really don’t know what would else you expect from people in this desperate situation.

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          2 hours ago

          it can be expected and even understandable to some degree but that doesn’t mean it needs to be accepted and normalized. It’s wrong, objectively. Emotion needs to be put aside when deciding policy and action.

          We can understand hate without giving in to it