Cornel West is heading to Detroit to prop up the United Auto Workers (UAW) strike. West, who’s running as a third-party presidential candidate, told The Hill exclusively on Wednesday that he intend…
I just don’t see that happening without a move away from fptp systems, whether RCV, STAR, or some other system. And even in Maine where RCV is used there’s still a seemingly disproportionate lack of third party candidates, so it doesn’t feel like they’re doing the work to build a bench of viable candidates at the local and state level.
Can you show one example of this over the last century?
the Socialist Party of America is basically the only party that’s done anything of this sort at the federal level and they got nuked by a combo of being anti-war in 1917 and losing a lot of their big tent to CPUSA after 1919. you can probably point to the Nonpartisan League in ND and Farmer-Labor in MN as state-level examples, but past that it’s pretty sparse. not really a lot of groundswell for CPUSA, and historically the other significant “third party” bids have just been Dixiecrats getting mad at the Democratic Party before returning (or becoming Republicans).
He’ll be on the ballot. Nothing happens, until it does. The odds aren’t good but I’ll take an infinitesimal opening at real systemic change over choosing between a giant douchebag and a turd sandwich. There is a universe where Joe Biden strengthens his position by offering actual material concessions to voters that are considering voting for Cornel West. If you’re worried about independent voters choosing green over blue, you should be pushing Biden and the Dems to make a more compelling case to those voters. Their failure to do so is their missed opportunity.
i want biden to ignore the supreme court and forgive the student debt anyway. after that, i want him to abolish the BoP, FBI, DEA, ATF, CIA, and NSA. he is the chief executive and congress has stupidly been consolidating power in the executive. after that, he can use his power as commander in chief to redirect the defense budget to training medical professionals and start putting boots on the ground in hospitals to give free medical care. he can turn a couple aircraft carriers into public housing. if the pentagon doesn’t like it, they can literally quit.
Not a Biden fan myself, but will West even be on the ballot in all states? How’s the establishment candidate the spoiler if the “main candidate” isn’t even an option everywhere?
Biden is the spoiler, he should feel ashamed and drop out.
Dr. West is the only one that has real policies and plans to change the status quo.
I do not think anyone else has a chance against Trump.
Feel ashamed of what?
And absolutely no path to achieving anything except making a Republican president.
Looking at the long term, 3rd parties will help bring in new sets of people that are not the status quo.
Local and state level grassroots movements is the overall goal.
I just don’t see that happening without a move away from fptp systems, whether RCV, STAR, or some other system. And even in Maine where RCV is used there’s still a seemingly disproportionate lack of third party candidates, so it doesn’t feel like they’re doing the work to build a bench of viable candidates at the local and state level.
Can you show one example of this over the last century?
the Socialist Party of America is basically the only party that’s done anything of this sort at the federal level and they got nuked by a combo of being anti-war in 1917 and losing a lot of their big tent to CPUSA after 1919. you can probably point to the Nonpartisan League in ND and Farmer-Labor in MN as state-level examples, but past that it’s pretty sparse. not really a lot of groundswell for CPUSA, and historically the other significant “third party” bids have just been Dixiecrats getting mad at the Democratic Party before returning (or becoming Republicans).
These are good goals, and i like what dr. West is promoting.
But if he draws votes away from Biden, do you think any of West’s proposals will have a chance under a Trump administration?
He’ll be on the ballot. Nothing happens, until it does. The odds aren’t good but I’ll take an infinitesimal opening at real systemic change over choosing between a giant douchebag and a turd sandwich. There is a universe where Joe Biden strengthens his position by offering actual material concessions to voters that are considering voting for Cornel West. If you’re worried about independent voters choosing green over blue, you should be pushing Biden and the Dems to make a more compelling case to those voters. Their failure to do so is their missed opportunity.
How have they failed? What do you want Biden to do differently?
i want biden to ignore the supreme court and forgive the student debt anyway. after that, i want him to abolish the BoP, FBI, DEA, ATF, CIA, and NSA. he is the chief executive and congress has stupidly been consolidating power in the executive. after that, he can use his power as commander in chief to redirect the defense budget to training medical professionals and start putting boots on the ground in hospitals to give free medical care. he can turn a couple aircraft carriers into public housing. if the pentagon doesn’t like it, they can literally quit.
he can pick any 2 of those for my vote.
@commie @protist
Uh, what about Ukraine?
i didn’t say anything about ukraine.
Not a Biden fan myself, but will West even be on the ballot in all states? How’s the establishment candidate the spoiler if the “main candidate” isn’t even an option everywhere?
To be fair nobody ever accused a Jimmy Dore fan of being intelligent
Nice.
I see, you specialize in having thought provoking discussions with others.
3rd Party voters don’t vote for bloods or crips, they just sit out if no one meets the standard.