I think it is a waste of time, and an unfortunate diversion of attention, for the International Palestinian liberation movement to focus on the separation between Judaism and Zionism. As others have said, it is pretty clear statistically that most Jews in the west support Israel, even if they are critical of Netanyahu.
That isn’t to say we should all be using very explicitly anti-Jewish language at rallies like this, but why waste time even addressing this difference between Judaism and Zionism. Let’s focus on the people who really matter here, the people suffering under the boot of Imperialism and Colonialism.
Zionists blatantly exploit this contradiction where they carry out all of their heinous acts in the name of Judaism, but then require critics to do the dance of differentiation to ultimately hurt our movement.
100% agree, it is long, long past time to center the voices of the actual victims.
The dehumanization of Palestinians is so extreme that even “benign” people have to do the disavow dance. Al-Qaeda is reactionary garbage but unlike Zionism they aren’t currently conducting a genocide, nor will you get jailed, censored, made jobless, beaten or killed for opposing Al-Qaeda.
A bit generous, all major Jewish organizations in the US still support Israel. It should be on the Jewish community to separate themselves from Zionism. Imagine if major mosques in the US supported Al Qaeda or the largest Catholic Church proudly donated to the KKK
I was going to say somethinh similiar, in the sense that Muslims separated themselves from Al Qaeda and Daesh.
Though, to be fair, many Sunni mosques have explicitly supported the Syrian civil war and fall of Assad. A lot of them also have funding from the Gulf States, which is why Wahabbism is so disproportionately influential.
And with Christrians, at least in the US, (or protestants across the world really) Evangelical Christianity may as well support KKK adjacent political movements like MAGA and Latin American Fascists.
I’d argue that although Zionism is more encompassing of Jews in the world, all three of these strains of theological fascism are holding eachother up.
Zionism justifies and maintains a settler colony in West Asia, acting as a vessel for US imperialism. Wahhabism divides the indigenous communities so sectarianism can break solidarity with the resistance against imperialism. Evangelicalism ensures there’s a healthy contingent of fascists in the core itself (as well as its geographic periphery) that fanatically seek to establish an imperialist hegemony globally.
By attacking one of these, you’re attacking all of them and if one of them falls, the other two are dealt a serious blow, (potentially a fatal one, given time).
It also plays a bit of both-sidesism. Al-Queda is bad, sure - but Hamas? Hezbollah? Ansarallah? Even the Taliban are far from the worst option in their country.
This is objectively untrue and a false comparison
The vast majority of Christians did not support the KKK
The vast majority of Muslims did not support Al-Qaeda
The absolute vast majority of Jews uncritically support the Zionist entity and overwhelmingly support the genocide
I was born a Jew and I will say if Jews wanted to no be associated with genocide they should be the ones to condemn zionism not libs on their behalf, because until that day comes every Jewish person is responsible and should feel incredible shame for their cowardace
We could point to Christianity’s connections to setter-colonialism for a more pervasive example. Anyways, the way I interpret it, is it’s taking aim at Christians who would say “those others Christians don’t represent Christianity, we’re the good ones” yet not do the same for other religions.
The Catholic Church literally killed Native Americans via residential schools in very recent living memory. And their disciples are still eradicating indigenous cultures today.
And besides its anathema to be catholic and a communist, the official church doctrine makes it clear. Even after the actual explicit excommunication of Catholics professing socialist beliefs being abrogated.
If you don’t agree with the official doctrine you cannot be a catholic, therefore every actual practicing catholic cosigns the past and current crimes of the Church.
Obviously Protestantism has it easier since there is no “evangelical Pope”
Yeah, it can be pretty bad, the connections. KKK isn’t really the best example, as pervasive and ongoing goes.
Just to add some well sourced data to this.
I think some replies here are bending over backwards to whitewash one of the most privileged groups on the planet. Kill the Zionist in your heads people.
This is categorically false. At best, the most rabidly Zionist Jewish population exists in the United States, and even then only 54% support Zionist policies and the genocide.
For Jews elsewhere in the world their support for Israel and the genocide fluctuates between 5-10 percent.
May I ask where that 54% comes from?
Moreover, reasons why they don’t support it matter. They may not support because it makes them look bad, but support the actual policies while not supporting execution of those policies.
I’m sorry actually! The number is even lower! Those who ardently support Israel and the Zionist policy total only 23%.
The 54% came from an outdated study from 2022 that I remembered.
While a partisan source, the aggregation of data by the Jewish institute is useful and where I’m pulling my numbers from.
https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/u-s-jews-identify-as-both-pro-israel-critical-of-its-govt
I’m sorry, but I don’t really see how this disproves how a majority of Jews are zionist. Even if they are “critical of Israeli policy” they still define themselves as pro-israel. The issue with this is that Israel from its inception has been a settler colonial and genocidal entity, their independence was literally the Nakba. So what exactly makes these people “pro-israel” if they oppose Israel’s very foundation and means of continued existence?
To me it’s more logical to read this data and determine that American Jews are not anti-genocide, but simply critical about how it is committed. Being “critical” of policy means very little to me, as it’s just performative words.
Like, for example, if an American says they are pro-Republican, but they are “critical of Trump” would you actually believe they are at all critical of fascism, or just upset with how Trump has worsened their quality of life due to imperial incompetence he’s displayed?
It’s not dissimilar to me as when a Syrian Sunni Arab says, "I don’t like Jolani, buy the Assad regime was worse and I support the Syrian Revolution. " They may act as if they are anti-Wahabbi, but in their refusal to admit that the Syrian Revolution was a takfeeri movement imposes by imperialists at its core, then that person is not really anti-Jolani. As they are fundamentally uninterested in the discussion of what produced Jolani.
For over 80% to be “pro-Israel” and 77% are “critical of Israel’s policy” then that tells us that the majority of American Jews are not actually anti-genocide and anti-zionist. They just think that genocide should be carried out in a more discreet way that doesn’t get a target on their back. At least, that is what I infer. If I’m being more charitable, I would say at the bare minimum that the majority of American Jews are not meaningfully anti-genocide or anti-zionist, which functionally makes it irrelevant what they say on the surface.
The best case scenario is that American Jews are currently an impotent anti-zionist force that can be educated into a correct position after several years (a timetable the Palestinians have no interest wanting for). The worst case scenario is that they are supportive of a more quiet and PR managed genocide as long as Israel still exists. Personally, I think the latter is closer to true than the former, at least where organized political mobilization is concerned.
It’s the same formula I see for Wahhabism and the Arab monarchies. The scurge of salafism can not be decoupled from the majority of Sunni Muslims until the Kings, Amirs, and Sultans are ripped from their palaces. Similarly, the rot of zionism will preserve ubiquitously in Jews until Israel is trampled by the forces of resistance.
The healing of the wound zionism has wrought can only begin after.
AI slop?
Kinda looks like it. Also the person in the photo looks to be wearing Meta Glasses lol
Are you sure your post wasn’t written by AI.
i checked, you’re correct, has an openai watermark
Such a bizarre and suspect post. Like the message is obviously true but posting this ai slop to MLs three years into a genocide committed by Jewish supremacists reeks of a liberal attempt to direct attention away from Palestinian voices.
