"There is a real question whether democracy is going to remain in the United States of America," Sanders said.

cross-posted from: https://lemmus.org/post/501516

Some politicians are so fearful of former President Donald Trump retaking the White House that “they don’t really want to tell the full truth,” West said. “[Biden has] created the best economy that we can get. Is this the best that we can get? You don’t tell that lie to the people just for Biden to win,” West said in a clip played on CNN Sunday.

  • prole@beehaw.orgEnglish
    25·
    1 year ago

    Yeah it sucks. But those of us paying attention, and have a basic grasp on history, know what the alternative is. See Florida for a microcosm.

    Running candidates that nobody thinks will ever win everybody knows will lose, in a first past the post system, that will only siphon votes away from the one candidate that can prevent that fascism from fully taking hold of the nation, for pride is not only incredibly ignorant and short-sighted, but it also ignores what third parties (particularly progressive ones) do to electoral counts.

    This isn’t a fucking game, and it’s not a joke. The wolf is at the door, we don’t have the luxury to be throwing away votes on Cornell fucking West.

    If you want to vote third party, get ranked choice voting. Until then, get with reality, or vote third party and take responsibility for ushering in the end of our Republic. Your choice.

    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      If you want to vote third party, get ranked choice voting. Until then, get with reality, or vote third party and take responsibility for ushering in the end of our Republic. Your choice.

      i’m voting for cornel west precisely because he is promising to dismantle the empire.

      • fuzzywolf23@beehaw.org
        4·
        1 year ago

        When you dismantle an empire, citizens die.

        Also, it won’t be West that does it. It will be Desantis.

        West has no power and no hope of victory, so he can say whatever the duck he wants. The rest of us have to be realists.

    • Cataphract@lemmy.ko4abp.comEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago
      1. those of us paying attention, and have a basic grasp on history, know
      2. incredibly ignorant and short-sighted
      3. isn’t a fucking game, and it’s not a joke
      4. throwing away votes on Cornell fucking West
      5. get with reality
      6. take responsibility for ushering in the end of our Republic

      These are the types of conversations that are non-productive and show you have nothing meaningful to add without belittling or insulting others with opposing opinions (which I will not engage with for my own sanity if the same rhetoric is used in a reply). If you wish to converse about actual policies or facts with references/sources, then I’m here for that. I will address the only two points you made in your 150+ word reply from this point on.

      What about Florida means I should remove my free will of choice to protect my free will of choice? Because a southern conservative state is passing conservative policies? What is the next presidential run of Biden going to do about the Florida microcosm in which you have evoked as reasoning? Here are some references in which I see the battle inside of Florida to continue at the state and local level,

      I think we view the microcosm of Florida differently, one of fear and one of hopefulness.

      “Republicans surpass Democrats in terms of their voter registration numbers recently for the first time in state history…Democrats sort of gave up on Florida this cycle and chose to spend their money elsewhere. And, you know, you can argue whether or not that was a correct strategy, but they did obviously have victories elsewhere. But their margins in Florida were just - the losses are so gigantic, in part because the Democratic candidates there received very little support from national donors and really faced a massive fundraising disadvantage. So they weren’t really able to get their message out there.” (npr-2022)

      So a state that the democratic party purposefully didn’t fight to support is now our fear to continue supporting the democratic party?

      “Republicans focused on the ultimate goal,” said Fernand Amandi, a Miami-based Democratic pollster who helped former President Barack Obama win the state in 2008 and 2012. “They thought things out in 10-year cycles. They built a permanent campaign apparatus. They started recruiting candidates to run for local office and springboarding them into higher office. They registered voters and managed the margins.” (the hill)

      Please explain to me how I’m suppose to “get” Ranked Choice Voting (RCV). Do you know of it’s history and/or any legislation brought forth by the one party we are allowed to vote for? We’re coming up on near 200 years after the civil war, how many states have RCV currently in main elections and how was that achieved? 2, only 2 states both with ballot initiatives from other sources and not introduced by the Democratic party. One from Alaska which was heavily funded by outside the state (source) and another in Maine which the Democratic Governor refused to sign,

      On September 6, 2019, Governor Janet Mills allowed the bill to become law without her signature, which delayed it from taking effect until after the 2020 presidential primaries in March (source). A “people’s veto” in 2018, approved by voters, rejected parts of the new law that sought to delay RCV’s implementation until 2022. (source).

      RCV has been pushed in spite of the democratic parties antics, but their the only way to achieve this option? Have you noticed that all of this discourse has nothing to do with Cornel West in which you’ve already used profanity with his name as a means to disenfranchise with no true reasoning? You’re being strangled and are asking them to please continue while begging them to save you.