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Genocide doesn’t only mean eradicating a people by killing them. It also means eliminating a people by eradicating their culture and history. You certainly can’t deny that the Chinese are guilty of that.
Have you ever been to Xinjiang? Claiming that Uyghur culture and history is being eradicated sounds like some sort of joke.
Did you watch Chunwan? Chunwan is the most watched televised program in the world and the pride and joy of CCTV. Every year, every single year there is a display of traditional Uyghur dance, dress, and music. This year, a part of it was filmed in Kashgar, Xinjiang.
Dilraba Dilmurat, of Uyghur descent, is recognized by many as the most popular celebrity in China and commonly performs in traditional dress with traditional music:
Do you consider it genocide when Western fashion swept through the world, unseating traditional forms of dress? Do you consider it genocide when communities in North America default to English, losing their mother tongues? Do you consider it genocide when French people learn English to participate in the British economy? When Quebec forces Canadians to learn French?
No, you don’t. You regard culture as a static element rather than a dynamic, constantly evolving entity. You regard language in the same way. You consider indigenous people as though they are some hapless treehugger or casino operator rather than what they really are: people.
You’re the type of people who will write on and on about the rights of First Nations people but, when the Squamish decide to build a 10000-unit apartment complex on their land, you’ll be the first to protest it. Cultures evolve. People evolve.
Fair, but can you provide evidence for supression of Uyghur culture? For displacement of Uyghur populations?
The ones making the claim have to provide the evidence. That is how the burden of proof works. We do not have to prove that China isn’t doing anything, the ones accusing China of genocide have to provide evidence. The accusing parties have failed to do so for years.
You certainly can’t deny that the Chinese are guilty of that.
I can and do deny that. As I have expounded on over a dozen times, China is not committing genocide, cultural or otherwise, but I will copypasta some of it nonetheless.
The US’s “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.
We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.
Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.
The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.
Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.
Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).
Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.
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Citation needed (that isn’t just Zenz).
How many Uyghurs are dead because of Chinese government action? Give me a number. Doesn’t have to be concrete, just within an order of magnitude.
Genocide doesn’t only mean eradicating a people by killing them. It also means eliminating a people by eradicating their culture and history. You certainly can’t deny that the Chinese are guilty of that.
Have you ever been to Xinjiang? Claiming that Uyghur culture and history is being eradicated sounds like some sort of joke.
Did you watch Chunwan? Chunwan is the most watched televised program in the world and the pride and joy of CCTV. Every year, every single year there is a display of traditional Uyghur dance, dress, and music. This year, a part of it was filmed in Kashgar, Xinjiang.
Dilraba Dilmurat, of Uyghur descent, is recognized by many as the most popular celebrity in China and commonly performs in traditional dress with traditional music:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqhAkiVr8Y
https://www.tiktok.com/@hello_xinjiang/video/7334365885169241376
Do you consider it genocide when Western fashion swept through the world, unseating traditional forms of dress? Do you consider it genocide when communities in North America default to English, losing their mother tongues? Do you consider it genocide when French people learn English to participate in the British economy? When Quebec forces Canadians to learn French?
No, you don’t. You regard culture as a static element rather than a dynamic, constantly evolving entity. You regard language in the same way. You consider indigenous people as though they are some hapless treehugger or casino operator rather than what they really are: people.
You’re the type of people who will write on and on about the rights of First Nations people but, when the Squamish decide to build a 10000-unit apartment complex on their land, you’ll be the first to protest it. Cultures evolve. People evolve.
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Fair, but can you provide evidence for supression of Uyghur culture? For displacement of Uyghur populations? The ones making the claim have to provide the evidence. That is how the burden of proof works. We do not have to prove that China isn’t doing anything, the ones accusing China of genocide have to provide evidence. The accusing parties have failed to do so for years.
Eradicating their culture and history by killing them.
Can you name another genocide in history without mass killing? I can’t! Don’t you think that’s odd?
Without the mass killing it becomes absurd to call it genocide, like you’re making a technical point instead of an ethical one.
I can and do deny that. As I have expounded on over a dozen times, China is not committing genocide, cultural or otherwise, but I will copypasta some of it nonetheless.
The US’s “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.
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Have you considered not believing propaganda from imperial core countries
The Organization for Islamic Cooperation, all muslim-majority countries — and the Global South in general — deny such western claims.