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TikTok users have been deleting the app at a higher rate since the company announced that its U.S. operations would be housed in a new joint venture.
The short-form video platform’s daily average app uninstalls in the U.S. have increased nearly 150% over the past five days compared with the previous three months, market intelligence firm Sensor Tower told CNBC.
Well for starters - The United States government is kicking in doors in my local area right now.
The CCP would have to travel many thousand miles to kick in my door.
That’s a false sense of security. The CCP doesn’t need to kick down your door to weaponize your data. It should be common sense to not trust an authoritarian regime.
OK, as an American in the USA, what is the worst China can do to me with my “weaponized data” that is worse or the equivalent of me being tracked down and summarily executed a death squad which is the worst thing that the Trump regime can do with my data (which every US corporation is willing to hand over to them). It’s not that I trust the Chinese government. I just don’t care about them right now because my country is being destroyed by Nazis and find it bizarre that anyone would still be trying to sell us the “beware the Yellow Peril looming in the east!” neoliberal cold war horseshit.
Remember in the 80s when scary Japan was supposedly about to morph into some sort economic singularity and wipe us out with a thousand ultra mega Pearl Harbors all at once? Kind of reminds of the shit we hear about China today.
You know back then it was perfectly fine to be cozy with the PRC even as they propped up the murderous Khmer Rouge regime. But hey they illegally invaded Vietnam and cut ties with the Soviets so we loved them then. When Vietnam liberated Cambodia the official US narrative was that Vietnam was bullying the poor Khmer Rouge and the genocide was just a smear campaign to make our friend China look bad. Vietnam was the big bad yellow peril enemy then.
And now, Vietnam, still just as communist, still authoritarian, is our friend now!
Funny how the propaganda shifts like this depending on who’s befitting from it. Tomorrow it will be someone else. But go on about how this time the “Yellow Peril” threat is real this time.
But didn’t you know they’re occupying our cities! They’re killing innocent civilians and rounding up black and brown and indigenous civilians and forcing them into camps!
No, wait. That’s the us government. My bad.
China is harvesting our data and weaponizing it! You see they’re taking the data and umm… sharpening it into punji sticks or something.
Look what ever they’re doing it’s evil and bad. And way worse than our home grown Palantir genocide machine.
What a load of bootlicking crap.
It’s very simple, if you’re willing to go to such lengths to defend China using spyware, collecting your data, and using it as they please… then why not go use Chinese social media yourself? If you think China is a non threat and all the concerns people have about it are fugazi, then why not go use their platforms? They’re bigger, have way more content, way more users, and they’re better developed than the Fediverse… again why you here if you don’t value things like privacy, freedom, ownership, and control over your data? It sounds to me like you have inconsistent values.
What is wrong with you? Are you even a person? Did you actually read what I said? Because this is boiler plate bot shit “why you defend China” (when I was fucking talking about the PRC’s support of the Cambodian Genocide?) is getting very tiresome.
Get some new material or go home. Fucking pathetic. It’s worse than talking to MAGA Nazis.
Did YOU read what you said?
Your entire spiel from before was literally nothing more than a collection of fallacies. You used a false equivalence by comparing worst case domestic repression (death squads) to foreign data misuse, which are fundamentally different types of risk and not logically comparable. It engages in whataboutism by deflecting concerns about China’s data access with references to American authoritarian threats, which doesn’t actually refute the original concern. The argument also builds a straw man by reducing all China related security worries to racist “Yellow Peril” panic, ignoring more nuanced, non racial critiques about state power and influence. Finally, it also leans on appeals to extreme outcomes and fear, invoking Nazis and executions to shut down debate rather than assess proportional, evidence based risks. Together, these fallacies prove two things: 1) You’re engaging in bad faith and 2) your points were inherently flawed and logically unsound.
Like what even is the thesis supposed to be, that the concerns about China aren’t real or serious because propaganda exists or because other threats exist? It’s such a nonsensical take. People aren’t concerned about China because of propaganda, they’re concerned because China’s actions, intentions, and track record raise a lot of red flags that are concerning. It doesn’t take a genius to see that something nefarious is going on with these Chinese apps. Like for example…
These are are valid concerns that you’re trying to conveniently dismiss because you’re either ignorant of them or you’re being dishonest. Like do you not find any of these things even slightly concerning? Trying to chalk up these legitimate concerns as nothing more than product of fearmongering and propaganda is the most intellectually lazy way to dismiss them because you can’t be bothered to parse through the implications and consequences.
If you don’t care about things like privacy, tyranny, freedom, ownership, safety, and the like then that’s your problem. However, just because you don’t care that doesn’t mean others don’t or that their concerns are product of propaganda. If anything that’s a more of a reflection of you and how your own beliefs came to be. Your stance, even if we ignore all the fallacies, isn’t even a principled one. At least what I’m saying is consistent and principled. You on the other hand? You’re acting smug over a disingenuous, fallacious, and inconsistent stance, it’s, as you would say, fucking pathetic.
You can’t worry about your taxes when your house is on fire man.
That’s a false dichotomy. I’m not going to suddenly spread my ass for a shitty authoritarian regime like the CCP because the US government is going through it. If you want to lube up for Chinese spyware and data collection then that’s on you. Personally, I’m not going to let a fallacious false binary like this cloud my judgement, I’ll always strive to own, protect, and control my data from governments, corporations, or whoever.
yes you can, if tomorrow you’ll be thrown in jail for your taxes
You’re missing the point.
China might use your data and hurt you in some far future, whereas the USA will use your data right now in a direct and violent way.
I can explain how the US government having access to the database of all of TikTok’s data might directly result in a visit from ICE. The path to damage caused by China may exist too, but is much more nebulous, and much more difficult for China to execute on.
Yes, if you are in a government position, or in the army, you probably shouldn’t use TikTok under China’s management. But Joe Schmoe from California has little to materially fear from them. But he does have reason to fear the USA government who might well come over and arrest him.
I think we agree on that. my point is, we don’t need to use neither usa tech or chinese tech for our social media platforms. we shouldn’t celebrate china being there “to save us”.
also, I think china could still hurt us, on the short term, by manipulating elections and other things through manipulating public opinion and the values people hold. they have both the data and the channels to execute it.
You are right, we don’t need either but you are already preaching to the choir as you are here in the fediverse.
looking at the parent comments, or the other reply I got, I don’t think everyone agrees
if you’re still scared of china at this point the propaganda has unfortunately broken through and taken root in your brain stem, i’m sorry, there’s very little any of us can do to help you
Joe Schmoe ended up in a situation no different than if tiktok had been US to begin with, since capitalistic companies will sell out everyone to keep the money flowing over shutting down. So country of origin never ended up mattering in making the app as much of a red flag as installing facebook, instagram, and twitter.
Using corporate social media that encourages people to share their faces, names, and voices are sketchy to begin with while also having the apps so intrusive they get access to everything on your phone from contacts to phone numbers.
I see people arguing country a lot, but I’ve never really understood it myself because I never believed who was collecting data would guarantee that data doesn’t end up in the hands of those unintended to get it.
Just as the tiktok transfer shows.
Your horse were not on fire when TikTok got introduced en masse.
So yeah, look for excusses
It’s been on fire a long time buddy.