Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    4 hours ago

    China will give Trump something to look the other way when they re-take Taiwan, and he’ll do it. There will be a huge outcry from both sides, but he will order Hegseth to stand down, and since he’s Commander-In-Chief, Hegseth will do it.

    There might be an impeachment, but no conviction, and the American people don’t know or care enough about Taiwan to want to go to war against China, and eventually it will blow over, and leave another black mark on Trump’s legacy, which he won’t care about because he got a plane, or a boat, or a pile of money, or permission to build a Trump Tower in Taiwan, or something.

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      3 hours ago

      This would be the course if TSMC would have a fab in the US. But since all the tech bros visiting Trump have convinced him that the fabs there are vital for the US silicon hegemony, he will not surrender Taiwan. So it’s the old US can’t afford to lose it, China cannot afford to not have it stalemate until someone somewhere is able to build some modern fabs.

      Unless he really is the russo-chinese agent he appears to be. Then all bets are off.

      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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        3 hours ago

        We’ve already seen this scenario over and over, in Syria, in Qatar, etc. He is up for sale, and EVERYBODY knows it.

        In Trump’s world, there’s a price tag on EVERYTHING, and China can afford it. They know that this would be their easiest chance to get it, and I doubt they’ll let that opportunity pass.

        If the only issue is chips, they’ll promise him access to the chips, as well as the bribe. He’ll take that without hesitation, they’ll renege on their promise, but it will be too late to do anything about it.

  • Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works
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    5 hours ago

    Chinese imperialists will stop at nothing to hurt working class people. Luckily Taiwan isnt intimidated by bullies.

  • Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml
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    6 hours ago

    That’s a bold statement, China has unproven capabilities to invade Taiwan.

  • Basic Glitch@sh.itjust.works
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    14 hours ago

    Isn’t it just such a fucking coincidence you have all these assholes coming to the same conclusions at the same time?

    Putin invaded Ukraine and would love to Hitler his way across Europe in the name of “unity.”

    Trump invades Venezuela, yet pretends to be an antiwar isolationist only taking necessary action to protect the U.S. from the flow of fentanyl (which has never been coming from Venezuela, but why let facts get in the way of a shitty narrative).

    Now China will invade Taiwan and the U.S. will refuse to get involved because Trump is totally an “isolationist.” (At least when it comes to other continents).

    Yep. Totally a coincidence and not a shared strategy for a global fascist takeover by a new axis of evil.

  • Aljernon@lemmy.today
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    13 hours ago

    Does this mean Lai Ching-te is gonna to be the president of One China?

    Leftists are normally anti-imperialism

    You’ve apparently never spoken to a Marxist-Leninist though some would argue they are not Leftists.

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    13 hours ago

    maybe fix your population crisis, and your HCOL, and the oversaturated degrees leading to low job prospects in your country before trying to distract the populace with “invading taiwan”

  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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    17 hours ago

    IMO china is making a mistake here. there’s one way to poison yourself and that is to eat something that does not want to be eaten. and the same is the case here. china is a successful country and they could just call that a win and leave it at that. instead, they (think they) have to swallow taiwan, and they will poison themselves. they will get a lot of people into their country that do not want to become a part of china, and they will seek to destroy china from the inside, which is much easier to do than from the outside, and this could become a real danger to china. china should not seek to conquer taiwan against the will of its people.

    • plyth@feddit.org
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      5 hours ago

      IMO china is making a mistake here.

      Are they going to conquer or are they just pretending?

      The USA has killed the USSR by forcing them into an arms race. China already has the bigger production capabilities. All the bases and aircraft carriers cost resources that cannot be used elsewhere while China still has several hundred million people who seek employment.

    • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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      12 hours ago

      China has some really big domestic issues right now with record unemployment rates so naturally their drumming up nationalism to distract people. Though AI boom is carrying China through and I really hope they back down.

      From what I see on Tiktok right now the propaganda machine is in full swing. Every video on Taiwan is spammed by bots saying “Taiwan is China”. With Taiwan’s opposition blocking defense budget it 100% seems like China will go through political offense first before invading.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      14 hours ago

      I understand your point, but they seem to have subjugated Hong Kong pretty successfully. I would agree with you more if that hadn’t recently happened.

      • despite_velasquez@lemmy.world
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        13 hours ago

        Well the PLA has barracks inside HK since the handover from the UK. On the other hand, blockading or invading Taiwan would be the largest amphibious invasion in human history

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        12 hours ago

        Hong Kong is a small tax haven - Taiwan is a full independent country. I really think we’ve past the point where physical annexation can work with guerilla warfare and sabotage being so easily accessible in this day and age. I think CCP agrees that’s why it’ll take a decade to wear Taiwan down still

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    Now is the perfect time for them to do it, I can see why! America may not even respond.

    Yes, I know we are an ally and we’re supposed to immediately go to war. So what? We promised to defend Ukraine from Russia, too. Look what happened.

    • plyth@feddit.org
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      5 hours ago

      The perfect time is in 10 years when China is so technological advanced and culturally leading that the majority wants to join voluntarily.

      • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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        33 minutes ago

        As it is now, I don’t think there would be any armed resistance to China without American opposition.

        China is already backing Russia though, the safer course would be to just wait it out until the dollar collapses. On the other hand, such a war may be the last straw on the camel’s back for the USA.

        • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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          2 hours ago

          I don’t know about that. Most of the world isn’t happy with the US right now. They may have been the case 10 or 15 years ago.

          • demonsword@lemmy.world
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            12 minutes ago

            I don’t know about that.

            Well… current PM of Japan self-identifies as Trumpist.

            As a side note, she also admires Margaret Tatcher. And also has complimented Hitler’s policies.

  • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    21 hours ago

    There is an expression in science that needs to be used more in polysci 'all models are wrong" The right wing vs left wing political spectrum is a model of political ideologies and a very simplistic one at that. It is also used interchangeably for fundamentally different political tenants. Large government-small government, authoritarian - libertarian, capitalist - socialist. Models are only as good as their ability to predict reality and they are always wrong, they are just simplified models of reality. The moment you are confused saying “but if this country is X-wing, why are they Y” You are either misunderstanding the model, misapplying the model, or are misunderstanding the actual value of a model.

  • PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing

    Uhh, citation needed? Communism by name only does not a left wing country make

    • bossito@lemmy.world
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      14 hours ago

      So it’s never left unless things work perfectly fine? It’s always fake left? China’s government control of the economy is very very lefty.

      I’m left myself, but this easy escape by some left people really annoys me. Things can only improve if one acknowledges the mistakes and flaws.

      • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 hours ago

        I mean it’s the same reason the Nazis weren’t socialist despite being the national socialist party. It’s in name only. I don’t see a single way in which China is making steps towards becoming a stateless, classless, moneyless society.