Western perception of “Social credit” largely propaganda btw and if you believe it isnt then you got manipulated.

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    Maybe you don’t think those are interchangeable

    That’s true. Those terms are not interchangeable.

    As for what I am talking about, the fact that Dogbert praises Stalin is apparently a problem for you.

    They’re denying that they praise Stalin. That’s the problem.

    It is possible to praise people for the positive things they […]

    That wall of text is a propos of… what exactly?

    The fact that you are trying to paint Dogbert’s praising of Stalin is something he should “admit” is a way of drawing a boundary between acceptable and unacceptable beliefs

    No. I said that they should “admit” it, because they claim that they don’t idealize Stalin, which is ridiculous if you read their comments.

    a form of thought policing, and also a way to create an echo chamber where you can’t be confronted with positions that challenge your own position and threaten some of the beliefs that you hold tied into your identity.

    Projection much?

    So what I am talking about is you, choosing to interpret Rule 6

    Never applied to no rule. You’re fighting strawmen.

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      Ok, idolize/glorify is different than praise. Go ahead and argue that point. I am interested in understanding the position.

      They said they didn’t praise Stalin, you said that saying good things about Stalin is praising him. He disagrees with your definition. I don’t. I think you’re right. That’s praising Stalin. But I don’t see anything wrong with praising people for the good things that they did.

      Further you didn’t say they should admit that they idealize Stalin, you said they should admit that they praise Stalin. There’s definitely a difference in those two words. You’re moving the goal posts again.

      You think I am projecting that I have a problem with cognitive disaonance based on what evidence? I am not trying to get you cross some moral line like “admit to everyone here you’re just a dirty liberal who thinks Obama was a good guy”. I am engaging you and critiquing you. If you can’t tell the difference, I can’t help you yet.

      And if you can read the thread, the thread you are replying to invokes Rule 6 which is what caused the commenter you are debating against to start this conversation about praise/deification/etc

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        Ok, idolize/glorify is different than praise. Go ahead and argue that point. I am interested in understanding the position.

        Please google the difference yourself. I can’t be bothered to play your dictionary.

        I think you’re right

        Then why are you bothering me?

        But I don’t see anything wrong with praising people for the good things that they did.

        Do you see anything wrong with people being dishonest, then?

        Further you didn’t say they should admit that they idealize Stalin, you said they should admit that they praise Stalin.

        I said “admire”. At least quote me correctly.

        There’s definitely a difference in those two words. You’re moving the goal posts again.

        No, for that, the difference would need to matter. I ain’t moving shit. They were being dishonest and I called them out for it. I never judged them for wanting to french kiss Stalin. /hj

        You think I am projecting that I have a problem with cognitive disaonance based on what evidence?

        You keep using that word

        I am not trying to get you cross some moral line like “admit to everyone here you’re just a dirty liberal who thinks Obama was a good guy”. I am engaging you and critiquing you.

        You failed to grasp the point I was trying to make, cramming yourself into a conversation you weren’t a part of, pedantically focusing on semantic trivialities, obviously trying to peddle some tankie narrative or whitewash some other tankie’s attempts at trolling. That’s not “engaging and critiquing”. It’s harrassment, or at least bothering.

        If you can’t tell the difference, I can’t help you yet.

        I’m fine without your “help”. Thanks but no thanks.

        And if you can read the thread, the thread you are replying to invokes Rule 6 which is what caused the commenter you are debating against to start this conversation about praise/deification/etc

        If you read the thread, you will find out that my insertion to it was purely based on calling out that person’s bluff. I didn’t judge anyone’s actual opinion on Stalin.

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