• Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca
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    6 days ago

    Based on the voter turnout in the last US Federal election, I would say you COULD have made the system better (or at least not immeasurably worse) by voting.

    Folks just chose not to.

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        The last chance to make it better was the 2020 primary. That definitely could have been a fulcrum if Democratic voters weren’t such idiots.

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          The primary on which the Democratic party deliberately, repeatedly, and flagrantly puts its whole arm on the scale? That primary?

          I stg they could roll out Hitler and Mega Hitler and y’all would get pissy at non voters like they’re the idiots.

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            I can be pissed at the Democratic establishment for manipulating voters and at voters for allowing themselves to be manipulated at the same time. I’m just talented like that.

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              That’s what y’all always say but only bring it out after you’ve thrown a tantrum at non voters like the Democratic party is owed votes. You can’t be mad at democrats for rigging shit and at the voters for recognizing it, that’s just some cop out y’all been trained to give.

              Y’all ain’t slick.

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                Who the fuck do you think I am? You’re presuming an awful lot, and nowhere close to the mark. Also, if you read what I just said, I’m not pissed at voters for recognizing the lies, I’m pissed at them for falling for the lies. Fuck off until you learn some reading comprehension skills.

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        6 days ago

        Which means more time to make it better. I would rather have things fall apart in pieces instead of collapsing as a whole

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            So you’re telling me you’d rather your entire house fall to dust, than for parts of your house to fall apart over time so you have time to build it up better? That’s a really weird take.

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                Reformism is a thing, but of course it loses all credibility when the only longterm vision it’s serving is ”slowing collapse somewhat”.

                As an outsider, it’s fascinating how mainstream US politics today largely divides into Trumpian accelerationism and Dick Cheney allies that are appalled that a lot of other people can’t envision victory by rallying behind the corporate sponsored candidate of the Dick Cheney party, which is also promising to destroy the world, albeit in a slower and more controlled way that is less disruptive to big business. Fuck anyone that has different ideas, it’s all about ”winning” here and now, even if it’s not really winning. And there’s always only the here and now, because there’s always a new Trump waiting around the next corner. Just like in most other countries.

                Both of those ”sides” – internationally – have killed reformism as a viable political project, neither of them support gradual alignment of wealth and power with a popular majority.

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          People said this in 2020 as well, that we should vote for Biden and organize, and then people just didn’t organize.

          The problem with the slow collapse is that it frustrates people, and pushes them to vote for the alternative.